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PreWar Mercedes Benz

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21 minutes ago, alsancle said:

Hey Dav,

 

Can you post some of those 320 pictures you sent me the other day?  Very nice cars.

Hello AJ. I can't for now but I will in a futer

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:

Hey Dav,

 

Can you post some of those 320 pictures you sent me the other day?  Very nice cars.

Hello AJ 

I can't right now but will in a futer. 

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The majors only have two 500 K / 540 K cars up for auction in Monterey, both at Bonham's. 500 K Tourenwagen and the 540 K Mayfair roadster. I'm going to predict no sales on both because owners still trying to get pre-2015 prices. The Tourenwagen  is not a popular body style, and the Mayfair because most of the money is going postwar sportscars. Hope I'm wrong!  Both are beautiful cars. Estimate on Mayfair is $3.5-4.5M. 

image 500 tourenwagen.jpg

image mayfair.jpg

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12 minutes ago, 540K said:

The majors only have two 500 K / 540 K cars up for auction in Monterey, both at Bonham's. 500 K Tourenwagen and the 540 K Mayfair roadster. I'm going to predict no sales on both because owners still trying to get pre-2015 prices. The Tourenwagen  is not a popular body style, and the Mayfair because most of the money is going postwar sportscars. Hope I'm wrong!  Both are beautiful cars. Estimate on Mayfair is $3.5-4.5M. 

image 500 tourenwagen.jpg

image mayfair.jpg

 

 

correct me if i am wrong 

seen them in Vegas collection 

 

the where trying to sale each for 11 mil : )

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Four years ago they told me $12M for the Mayfair roadster at the peak of the market, but that was just to get rid of the riff-raff, like me! I'm sure they would have quoted a more reasonable number to a serious buyer. 

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i had a real buyer :) but asking 12 mil for it I do not think anyone will pay that much:)
1937 G4 was sold for that money :) 

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On 7/27/2018 at 7:24 PM, alsancle said:

Have they found the right clock for the tourenwagen yet?  

 

Let me answer my own question with a current picture.

 

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Huge gap in its history - almost 60 years unknown. Not sure how they concluded it is the original body since it didn't reappear to many until 1995, after complete restoration.

 

From Christie's auction 2007:  Chassis number 169350 is one of the desirable Cabriolet B versions of the
supercharged Mercedes 540 K model that was ordered through Mercedes Benz Berlin with internal order number
257654. In the car’s file there is a fax by DaimlerChrysler A.G. from 1995, confirming the above and DaimlerChrysler
have recently stated that the car was first registered on August 24th 1937 initially destined to be used as a demonstrator.
Its bodywork was finished at the Mercedes-Benz Sindelfingen bearing the number 825716. Little more is known about
the car’s life until it resurfaced in the mid-nineties when it was completely restored.
This impressive matching numbers Cabriolet B retains all of its original major components: chassis, engine and
bodywork
... comes with Mercedes archive copies together with a copy of the manufacturer’s confirmation fax.
Chassis 169350 was purchased by the current European owner in 1997 forming part of his private collection
since then. It is clear that the car had been fully restored after being discovered in the early 90s, lots of the work being
undertaken by well known Mercedes-Benz specialist Böhringer.

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Me thinks I would NEVER buy an open pre war car without a entire string of provenance.............doesn’t matter price or make, you gotta know what your doing. Personally on any car over 100k I always want three or four informed opinions. 

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43 minutes ago, edinmass said:

Me thinks I would NEVER buy an open pre war car without a entire string of provenance.............doesn’t matter price or make, you gotta know what your doing. Personally on any car over 100k I always want three or four informed opinions. 

Is tgat nean if someone on line will say that not original car no obe will buy it???

Good to know lol. Will use that trick for futer lol

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On 8/17/2018 at 12:32 AM, MB Streamliner said:

This car, creates a false impression on the front and rear wings, as well as on the rear boot lid. I think there is a discrepancy with the original. maybe someone else sees this, too?

https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0818-346397/1937-mercedes-benz-540k-cabriolet-b/

 

You claim this was a replica, auction house says all original major components. So where is your proof that this is a fake? Auction description says restoration done by major shop in Germany so I strongly assume they have pre-resto pics and verified with Daimler that the components are original. It would also be rare that they try to fake a Cab B instead of a Cab A or a roadster. Again please back up your claim this is a fraud.

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In the papers can be written, anything. The car looks very good. The price of such 540K must be at least 1 500 000 euros. But the price is very low.

Why? The answer lies in the body shell. Look closely at the wings and the rear trunk. Who will sell the original for such little money? That's bullshit

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Remember this is a hand-built automobile, no two of them are 100% identical. Plus many of these cars had a hard life and have been modified and components needed to be recreated or replaced. That doesnt mean the car is necessarily a fake one. As for the price, IMO $650k seems low, but $1.5MM I think is definately too high for a Cab B. 

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2 hours ago, tilomagnet said:

Remember this is a hand-built automobile, no two of them are 100% identical. Plus many of these cars had a hard life and have been modified and components needed to be recreated or replaced. That doesnt mean the car is necessarily a fake one. As for the price, IMO $650k seems low, but $1.5MM I think is definately too high for a Cab B. 

Do not say nonsense that - all the serial cars were not alike. All stamped, metal parts of the body are the same.

Mercedes Benz  factory used a stamp for all parts: for the hood, for the doors, for the boot lid, for the wings, for the bottom.

These parts could not have other proportions or deviations from the approved sizes. If the wing has a deflection, then at the place of abutment with the body, it is necessary to make another bend. It will be irrational.

 

I'm talking about the suspicion that the rear fenders and the rear trunk have a deviation from the established proportions.

Dedicated parts of this 540K Kabriolet B do not coincide with similar cars Kabriolet B.

I would like to see the comments of those who also noticed it.

 

And for someone who does not have money - 100K will be very much. they want it for free.

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