Guest alfieri Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 The previous owners ' bless there hearts ' ,.... bought a 1991 for a present, back in the day to each other on / for / their 25th wedding aniversary or at least as I understood, but did't want to pry ( silver aniversary ) .... and .... It just hit me today !!! ........... Mike, the previous owner, when at Banner Bank, ... told me they will invest all of the money from the TC in which I paid them, .......CATCH THIS, ......... into the silver market. EVERYTHING IS SILVER ' I think that is REAL COOL !!! ' Anyway on another silver issue,..... Were the silver stainless steel meets the trim on the rear of my now roadst. top, ... their is a leak on the right hand side. The previous owner confirmed this. ...... I have not yet lifted the hard top to see for myself. ... I can see that the visable brittle welt cord / trim piece. Now, I can buy a 8ft + rubber seal online, but is the trim welt cord going to be a leak issue too or is that only for looks? Should I try to find the welt cord too? or ? ...... OH! ...... I don't think they will mind, ... the previous owner's were the Jones's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Dude Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 The previous owners ' bless there hearts ' ,.... bought a 1991 for a present, back in the day to each other on / for / their 25th wedding aniversary or at least as I understood, but did't want to pry ( silver aniversary ) .... and .... It just hit me today !!! ........... Mike, the previous owner, when at Banner Bank, ... told me they will invest all of the money from the TC in which I paid them, .......CATCH THIS, ......... into the silver market. EVERYTHING IS SILVER ' I think that is REAL COOL !!! ' Anyway on another silver issue,..... Were the silver stainless steel meets the trim on the rear of my now roadst. top, ... their is a leak on the right hand side. The previous owner confirmed this. ...... I have not yet lifted the hard top to see for myself. ... I can see that the visable brittle welt cord / trim piece. Now, I can buy a 8ft + rubber seal online, but is the trim welt cord going to be a leak issue too or is that only for looks? Should I try to find the welt cord too? or ? ...... OH! ...... I don't think they will mind, ... the previous owner's were the Jones's.That is a lovely story..... but ..... frankly the part about the welt cord .... went right over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty14 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 parts for the 91 hardtop are here:1 4463 467 1 PANEL, Hard Top1 HARDTOP ASSEMBLY, w/Trim4464 741 Yellow4464 742 Red4464 743 Black4464 744 White1A 5253 053 1 WEATHERSTRIP, Hard Top Lower RearDH42 JR2 RedDH42 JW4 WhiteDH42 JX7 BlackDH42 JY4 Yellow2 4512 395 2 GLASS3 1 LATCH ASSEMBLING4464 490-1 Beige4464 492-3 Bordeaux4 2 SHAFT, Handle4463 486 Up to Chassis Number 65844464 664 From Chassis Number 65855 4463 998-9 1 BUSHING, Handle Gripping6 4463 489 2 SPRING, Handle Gripping7 1 BRACKET, Hard Top Belt Latch4463 484-5 Up to Chassis Number 65844464 674-5 From Chassis Number 65858 4463 482-3 1 SUPPORT, Handle9 1 STRIKER, Drawbar4463 470-1 Up to Chassis Number 7834464 604-5 From Chassis Number 78410 4464 377 4 SCREW11 4463 481 2 PIN, Centering Hard Top12 2 NUT, Not Serviced13 4464 421 2 WASHER14 4464 381 2 NUT, Pin Centering15 4464 425 6 WASHER, Handle16 4464 358 4 SCREW17 4463 474-5 1 MOULDING18 4463 490-1 1 HANDLE, Gripping19 4464 355 2 SCREW, Handle Drawbar20 4464 452 6 WASHER- 4463 732-3 1 BRACKET AND PANEL ASSEMBLY, Hard Top Pull Down ***21 4464 746-7 1 BRACKET22 4534 740 2 BUMPER, Rubber Block 23 2 SCREW, Block Retaining (Not Serviced)24 2 NUT, Block Retaining (Not Serviced)25 4464 593 AR SPACER, Rubber Block Frame26 5253 522 2 J-Hook ***27 4534 736-7 1 BRACKET, Rubber Block Mounting28 4464 669 4 SCREW29 4464 464 2 WASHER30 4464 404 2 NUT31 4464 732 2 INSERT, Tonneau Cover32 4464 356 2 BOLT HARD TOP Q BODYFigure 23A-7300 MODEL HARD TOP Q BODYFigure 23A-7300MODEL CODES: ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alfieri Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Sorry Hemi, ..... The welt cord is better used in describing sewing upholstery parts, hats etc. It is the cord-like piping that joins two pieces togeither and is a trim-out piece. In this case maybe the seal & trim-cord too (???) It was the best way that I knew of to describe the rounded pipe-like looking trim that is at the base of the rear portion of the removable top. Mine has small breaks towards the fronts on each side. It is probably due to shrinkage. .... Thanks for the top parts break-down Marty14. .......... Am I correct in thinking it is the the Hard top assembly trim 4404 743 since mine is black in colour ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Dude Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 parts for the 91 hardtop are here: HARD TOP Q BODYFigure 23A-7300 MODEL HARD TOP Q BODYFigure 23A-7300MODEL CODES: ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Marty, maybe you could do a breakdown on the WINDSHIELD HEADER PANEL so those looking to replace the windshield would get an idea of just what components there are and the quantity. That could be very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty14 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) 1 4463 154 1 PANEL, Windshield Opening2 4463 155 1 PANEL, w/Reinforcement Windshield Opening Upper3 4463 168-9 1 FRAME, Windshield Opening Side Outer4 4463 162-3 1 EXTENSION, Opening Side Inner5 4463 166-7 1 CAP, Windshield Opening Side Inner Frame Lower Lt.6 4463 430-1 1 RETAINER7 4464 379 4 SCREW8 4463 432 1 BUSHING, Top Center9 4464 397 AR SCREW10 4464 580-1 1 CATCH, Bezel On Headerfrom the 90 book:1 4463 667 1 MOULDING, Center2 4463 668-9 1 MOULDING, Side3 4463 670-1 1 BUTT STRAP4 4463 156 1 MOULDING, W/Shield, Upr.5 4454 976-7 1 MOULDING, W/Shield Pillar, Inner6-7 4463 164-5 1 MOULDING, Windshield- 6004 036 AR RETAINER7 4463 165 1 MOULDING, W/Shield, Lt.8 4463 036-7 1 MOULDING, Door Belt9 4463 576-7 1 MOULDING, Qtr. Rear, Cabernet4463 582-3 1 Yellow4463 580-1 1 Exotic Red4463 584-5 1 Jet Black4463 586-7 1 White10 4463 564-5 1 MOULDING, Door, Cabernet4463 570-1 1 Yellow4463 568-9 1 Exotic Red4463 572-3 1 Jet Black4463 574-5 1 White11 4463 552-3 1 MOULDING, Fndr. Rear, Cabernet4463 558-9 1 Yellow4463 556-7 1 Exotic Red4463 560-1 1 Jet Black4463 562-3 1 White12 4463 234-5 1 MOULDING, Mudguard, Frt.13 4463 236-7 1 MOULDING, Mudguard, Frt.14 FASTENER, serviced in moulding/mudguard (self adhesive15 4463 270 1 INSERT ASSEMBLY, Tonneau Mldg.16 4463 261 1 MOULDING ASSEMBLY, Tonneau Cover- 4464 794 1 WEATHERSTRIP ASSEMBLY (this type seal is visible from theexterior, it seals and trims the moulding) ***- 4491 968 1 SEAL, Moulding (this type seal is "roll stock", it is not visible onexterior of the moulding)17 4463 212-3 1 MOULDING, Wheel Opng., Rear18 PLUG, Moulding4463 444-5 1 Front4463 442-3 1 Rear19 4463 438-9 1 MOULDING, Rear (includes isolator and plugs)- 4463 440-1 1 ISOLATOR, Moulding20 4463 232-3 1 MOULDING, Qtr. Pnl. Rear21 4463 672-3 1 MOULDING, Side, Rear 22 4463 674-5 1 GUSSET23 4463 676 1 MOULDING, Center24 4463 453 6 GASKET25 4464 275 1 REFLEX and BASE ASSEMBLY, DecK Lid Rear26 4463 456 1 NAMEPLATE, Rear Reflex, "MASERTI"4463 457 1 "CHRYSLER"27 4464 278 1 PENTASTAR, Deck Lid28 4463 464 6 WASHER29 4463 458-9 1 MOULDING, Support30 4463 460-1 1 BEZEL, Rear Reflex Nameplate Base31 4464 123 6 WASHER32 4464 095 6 NUT33 4464 098 6 WASHER34 4463 463 6 PIN, Threaded35 4463 038-9 1 CAP, Door Belt Mldg. End4464 282-3 1 PLUG, Frt.36 4463 040-1 1 ISOLATOR, Door Belt Mldg.37 4463 086 1 MEDALLION ASSEMBLY4464 296 1 RETAINER38 4464 302-3 1 CAP, End39 4491 997 2 NAMEPLATE, Fndr., "16 VALVE INTERCOOLED" the windshield frame:[ Edited February 27, 2015 by marty14 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty14 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 1 4463 154 1 PANEL, Windshield Opening2 4463 155 1 PANEL, w/Reinforcement Windshield Opening Upper3 4463 168-9 1 FRAME, Windshield Opening Side Outer4 4463 162-3 1 EXTENSION, Opening Side Inner5 4463 166-7 1 CAP, Windshield Opening Side Inner Frame Lower Lt.6 4463 430-1 1 RETAINER7 4464 379 4 SCREW8 4463 432 1 BUSHING, Top Center9 4464 397 AR SCREW10 4464 580-1 1 CATCH, Bezel On HeaderBODY FRONT PILLAR Q BODYFigure 23A-8200MODEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alfieri Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Does anyone know if their is a book, dvd or web site that shows a visual to these parts? .... I sure don't want to start buying expensive wrong parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alfieri Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I am hoping that a fellow TC member has exp. this ............This is a leak where the hard top meets the stainless steel and also where the trim cord has shrunk, ( like a welt cord & brittle with several breakage issues ) probly to heat / age related I am thinking. This TC has been covered during its life,. so the previous owners have told me, but I should mention too, I have never, yet, had the hard top off the back ... so the previous owners have said / told me,... The major leak is on the right rear portion of the top ( skips and breaks ) and they also had it taped to prevent water from entering an thus down into the floor-pan area when they delivered it to me in a minor/ due to rain-fall this Winter day in Jan. in 2015. Please open up and tell all your exp. with top / water-leaks so in some way I can co-relate. Its been awhile, time-wise and without conclusive answers that could end this problem for me. ,...... I have yet to get this monkey off my back. A big factor here could be that that this new (me) TC owner has never had the top off the TC. You're best advise / advises ( is that a word? ) are appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostymosty Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 The trim on the lower part of the back of the 1991 hardtop is only a plastic, visual trim, color keyed to the paint color of the car, no sealing function. On the 1989 versions I have seen this trim is always black and is part of the lower seal of the hardtop and doesn't come off separately like the 1991. Either the real, inner seal is leaking from damage or the hardtop is not pulling down all the way to smoosh the seal tight. I have seen a lot of 1991 TCs that are missing the trim piece because the adhesive lets loose behind the quarter window and the trim is loosened further and pulled off by wind resistance as the car is driving down the road. I have not mentioned the 1990 model because I don't know if the early build cars are like the 1989 or if all of them are like the 1991. The 1991 hardtops also do not have the paddle style top releases behind the quarter window like the 1989. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alfieri Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Thank you ghostymosty and marty 14 and others, for helping with this trim related item. During this blog / thread that I sarted, I found a rubber seal on-line that is about 8 ft long and seems to be in very good condition and after mulling it over, it fiquared to me it that it had to that flat rubber seal causing the problem. I bought it for $19.00 + ship., it should be at my home soon, .... and you ... Ghost,... with you're in-put, made me feel better about that purchase. I think It could work in the future for me, even if it does not work for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Reichert Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Did no one mention that the tops tend to leak at both ends and a little weatherstrip foam is the solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alfieri Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Thanks for your concern and input Bill. The one rear leak that I have that is an issue is the one at the right rear of the roadster top. The only thing that I know about this or other TC leaks that are typical, is that the two FRONT corners of the left & right were leakers right from the begining and i'm not yet sure about that yet, ... but this is not that same issue and I don't want it to get confused with that possible other leak problem. What I know to be a problem at this present time with my TC is what I was told from the previous owners. The previous owners told me that the right rear part of the roadster top has a big leak issue ... and as I mentioned in a previous thread that they had it wrap't in tape soas to avoid a leak in the transporting of the car from San Juans in Jan. this year. I think I should learn from what the members have told me to this point, apply it and then if more problems, send out another blog. ............. thanks helping team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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