MochetVelo Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Here is a 1904 Maxwell touring at Bonham's London-Brighton sale. They posted some good photos that you can zoom in on. Any comments on this car?Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Well, by all accounts, the early Maxwells were fine automobiles.However, though ten such cars were built in 1904, and hundreds in 1905, they'd ALL considered 1905.London to Brighton is pre-1905, so somehow it would have to be proved that this is one of the first ten, and have them approve it to run the course.Oops, just read rest of description, they approved it as a 1904, which doesn't seem possible...The other major problem with this car is that my name's not on the title....oh well...(side note that windshield would go in the trash bin)..... Edited October 16, 2014 by trimacar (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The early Maxwells have available factory records to show production and numerical engine numbering. The start of Maxwell production was in November of 1904 with 3 cars built, December 1904 there were 2 built. These were H,s and were considered to be 1905 models. They continued building the H into '05 reaching a total of 232 H cars from November to July 1905. The L cars (runabouts) also started in November with 1 car built, and 4 in December. The L cars also were produced until July 1905. Of note is the L cars all had wooden frames, the H cars were steel. The steel frame was put under the L cars in the model year 1906. The engines of these cars 1905 H,s and L,s were consecutively numbered. It appears the engine number in Bonhams description is from a 1906 model build date. Many times things happen to change things for different purposes. With out a hands on inspection by a notable marque authority it must be accepted as advertised. It is a very handsome,well presented car and I am sure the new owner will be happy. I have never driven an H but have been a passenger in one. I do have a restored '05 L wooden frame runabout, serial #49 built in March of 1905. Also politics plays an important part in whether you can get certified/qualify for the London to Brighton. ---Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bob, I almost mentioned politics but at the last minute didn't...agree that there is some wiggling done to get certain cars on the L to B run....this is a wonderful car for sure...but my opinion, as you confirm, not quite early enough for that run, but surely early enough to fit in my garage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 Hey Bob: where is the serial number stamped on your Maxwell?Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Hi Phil, the serial # is usually stamped on one or two of three spots on the '05 L,s. It can be found on the differential pinion gear case, on a small diagonal sheet metal body brace under the seat frame (driver side), or on the engines valve case motion cover. The late Tom Thoburn noted authority and author on early Maxwells also found his '05 serial number prick-punched on the back side of the cast steel front cross member. --Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 A little OT, but wasn't there a saying you could tell someone was a Maxwell driver by the bruised knuckles on his hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Bleach, Back in the early part of the nineteen hundreds all second generation or used car owners had bruised knuckles! --Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm trying to remember where I read this but it was so long ago but I do remember that Maxwell was mentioned specifically.I think I'm getting a little senile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 No, you're not getting senile, because if you were really getting senile you wouldn't think you were getting senile....a catch-22 of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 There were a lot of those little sayings(?) going around in years past. Remember "Fix Or Repair Daily", or "Garage Mechanics Companion"? You don't hear them from the "youngsters" today. --Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The newest one I've heard was "Break My Windows" back and that was back in the 80's when it was fun to bash yuppies. You just don't hear many these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcvs Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 The newest one I've heard was "Break My Windows" back and that was back in the 80's when it was fun to bash yuppies. You just don't hear many these days.I heard a new one last year. Jeep = Just Empty Every Pocket.Also, Ford = Found on Road Dead as well, or the F bomb and 'old rebuilt Dodge'.Pontiac has a very un-PC one, but cannot mention it here. (The C in Pontiac refers to Cadillac).Any others? I have always found these to be amusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I always liked the saying that 80% of all Ford trucks ever built are still on the road.The other 20% made it back to their garages...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude928 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 LOTUS = Lots of Trouble Usually SeriousHere's mine (it broke down three times in one day for three different reasons): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 With the engine being # 69 from the factory, you would think this Maxwell would be reconsidered as an 05. At least that is what Bonham's quotes................big money spent for an 05 car that is technically not eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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