pauldana Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well... got this car dropped in my lap... was going to do a resto-mod on it but it seems to be somewhat rare I think, thus I am thinking of just doing a full restoration on her instead.... My sons and I build road race cars and off road baja 500 race trucks... but have never done a "Just restoration" .... its our hobby not our job....here are a few pics of what i have to work with.... I'm thinking i can do this in about a year and about $50K to do it right..... is it worth it? if we did this we would sale it when done, as we are mainly into road race, off road race race. and reto-mods... We are very good at what we do, actually 100% professional in our work.... so, my question to the community, is this car worth the time and labor that when done may turn a profit... if not, it will be rest-moded and chopped and dropped. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockitdoc Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I am no expert, but the '41 Connie I inherited last year was 'already restored' to driver status by my late father starting out in the condition you show with yours. I have receipts from his files that indicate he put about $35k into it just to get it drivable. I put another $10k into it to make it a 'reliable? driver' but I estimate it will take me another $30k easily to make it a 'nice driver'. These numbers are all based on us doing it ourselves, with little or no pro help, except those on this forum (who have all been great). So, I think your $50k estimate is ambitious for a restoration. $80-100 is probably more like it, especially for a convert. Here's a picture of her. Looks good from 50 feet, but close up she needs a lot of metal work for all the panels to fit right. Rust was really rampant. These cars are rare classics (probably only 700-800 of yours built) and it would be a shame to cut her up and build a custom, especially one that is restorable, like yours. I personally believe machines of this ilk should be preserved. Do resto-mods on more common machines that can found anywhere and aren't historically significant. If money is the only motivation, a custom might get you to the break-even point, but probably not a profit. A '42 Connie convert is an odd-duck and might not bring much even well sorted as a custom. So, if you're thinking this way, I'd sell her as-is, pocket the $15-25k you could get and let someone else restore her. Just my $0.02. BTW, my sons and I are also into road racing, competing in a '60 Bugeye. Edited October 1, 2014 by rockitdoc (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 You can cut it up but that would financially be foolish. A full restoration in a profession shop to 95 point status would be over 100k. However you could probably do a driver level job on your own for around 50k if you can do most of the work yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruce Nussman Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Your new project is not a 1942 unless someone has changed grill and bumper. It looks like a 1946 to 1948. Unfortunalty our Mark I Lincoln Continentals do not bring top dollars. You will spend more than its worth to restore. That's ok to if that is what you want.Good luck!Bruce1941 Lincoln Continental1951 Jaguar XK 120 with high performance Ford power train2004 Corvette convertiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 I am no expert, but the '41 Connie I inherited last year was 'already restored' to driver status by my late father starting out in the condition you show with yours. I have receipts from his files that indicate he put about $35k into it just to get it drivable. I put another $10k into it to make it a 'reliable? driver' but I estimate it will take me another $30k easily to make it a 'nice driver'. These numbers are all based on us doing it ourselves, with little or no pro help, except those on this forum (who have all been great). So, I think your $50k estimate is ambitious for a restoration. $80-100 is probably more like it, especially for a convert. Here's a picture of her. Looks good from 50 feet, but close up she needs a lot of metal work for all the panels to fit right. Rust was really rampant. [ATTACH=CONFIG]272675[/ATTACH] These cars are rare classics (probably only 700-800 of yours built) and it would be a shame to cut her up and build a custom, especially one that is restorable, like yours. I personally believe machines of this ilk should be preserved. Do resto-mods on more common machines that can found anywhere and aren't historically significant. If money is the only motivation, a custom might get you to the break-even point, but probably not a profit. A '42 Connie convert is an odd-duck and might not bring much even well sorted as a custom. So, if you're thinking this way, I'd sell her as-is, pocket the $15-25k you could get and let someone else restore her. Just my $0.02. BTW, my sons and I are also into road racing, competing in a '60 Bugeye.My sons and I do very professional work... I have no doubt that we can make it a pebble beach quality vehicle if that is the direction we choose to go... the only thing i am not sure of is parts pricing and availability... I VERY grateful for your input, as I may need much much more depending on direction chosen. You can cut it up but that would financially be foolish. A full restoration in a profession shop to 95 point status would be over 100k. However you could probably do a driver level job on your own for around 50k if you can do most of the work yourself.as mentioned above, labor is easy and we are very good at what we do... more worried about parts and years as noted belowYour new project is not a 1942 unless someone has changed grill and bumper. It looks like a 1946 to 1948. Unfortunalty our Mark I Lincoln Continentals do not bring top dollars. You will spend more than its worth to restore. That's ok to if that is what you want.Good luck!Bruce1941 Lincoln Continental1951 Jaguar XK 120 with high performance Ford power train2004 Corvette convertiable.Thank you... if it is a 42 as i was told, the little bit of research i did, states that there are only 10-12 models like this left to be known in existence. and one sold last year for 130,000$ .... if that is so i would like to do a full restoration on her.... BUT if in fact it is not a 42, and the top dollar she would fetch when restored would be around $30k... then we will chop and drop her... and then do a full resto-mod... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 can someone post me a 42, and tell/show me the difference and what to look for? thank you so so much:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldren Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 can someone post me a 42, and tell/show me the difference and what to look for? thank you so so much:-)serial numbers for 1942 H129691 to H136354 left side of cross member near motor mount, 26H body number on firewall near hindge on passenger side of car. Picture shows postwar grills and postwar dash. A lot of them were changed after WW11 The darkinstrument panel backgroung suggest 1946 serial numbers H136255 to H152839 5EH body number on firewall 42 is a rare low production number less the 200 convertibles I have a 42 Continental coupe that is in its 4th year of restoration Lee Waldren Ft. Myers, Fl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 serial numbers for 1942 H129691 to H136354 left side of cross member near motor mount, 26H body number on firewall near hindge on passenger side of car. Picture shows postwar grills and postwar dash. A lot of them were changed after WW11 The darkinstrument panel backgroung suggest 1946 serial numbers H136255 to H152839 5EH body number on firewall 42 is a rare low production number less the 200 convertibles I have a 42 Continental coupe that is in its 4th year of restoration Lee Waldren Ft. Myers, Fl.Going out to see the car this weekend... this information will help a lot... when i get it i will post the numbers and, maybe, you can give me some guidance and value and direction... Thank you again, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 What does a 42 supposed to look like?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersix Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 What does a 42 supposed to look like??Try an internet search. Type "1942 Lincoln Continental". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) ok... the vin number from the registration is :H131038it says 42 yeartype CNModel H13 Edited October 1, 2014 by pauldana (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mssr. Bwatoe Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I love v-12 lincolns, but I hate to tell you ..They are not appreciating as well as many other automobiles..There is a resto mod on ebay now, has been there for weeks...never meets reserve...lots of cars like yours exist because they were special "classics" almost immediately after production stopped..so they were saved..and the generation that loves em is fading fast...My generation is payin big bucks for GTO's chevelles, and even VW Buses ..not Lincolns.. The big money lincolns are 2 door coupes lowered to scrape the ground...(really sad)..But have fun its your car..this is a 42..they have vacuum windows and yellowish plastic with gold interior trim..The grills are stainless and the ornaments are made of unobtainium....$$$ bumpers also different..We are mostly purists on this sight and the thought of ruining, I mean resto -mod is offensive..get a chevy or a dodge to rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would have had my money on that it was a 46 but based on the VIN that would make it a 42. I've seen other makes updated to a later year for one reason or another. My 51 Cadillac had a 52 update when I got it and it might have left the dealership that way.The sad thing is that Lincoln looks like a victim of bad storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 I love v-12 lincolns, but I hate to tell you ..They are not appreciating as well as many other automobiles..There is a resto mod on ebay now, has been there for weeks...never meets reserve...lots of cars like yours exist because they were special "classics" almost immediately after production stopped..so they were saved..and the generation that loves em is fading fast...My generation is payin big bucks for GTO's chevelles, and even VW Buses ..not Lincolns.. The big money lincolns are 2 door coupes lowered to scrape the ground...(really sad)..But have fun its your car..this is a 42..they have vacuum windows and yellowish plastic with gold interior trim..The grills are stainless and the ornaments are made of unobtainium....$$$ bumpers also different..We are mostly purists on this sight and the thought of ruining, I mean resto -mod is offensive..get a chevy or a dodge to rod.I do understand.... We are big into Corvettes.... and anytime someone mods a C3 people start to ........ freek??:-)if it truly is a rare car, we will fully restore it.... if it is a common $30K car, then we will modify it....Keep in mind, our modifying is usually just a modern drive train and suspension and brakes.... slam the body and some nice wheels... but the overall look and body, booth inside and out will stay pretty much stock.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 it was sally rand's car..... one of the first feather strippers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeys1942 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 136 were made, you should order the build sheet, it's worth the $20, mines 127, built the day before production stopped. They're beauts n worth saving. How'd it get "dropped" in your lap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockitdoc Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) it was sally rand's car..... one of the first feather strippers...As you probably know, any history like famous or notorious previous owners can increase value quite a bit. Do you have documentation of the previous owners? Any feathers in the back seat? Edited October 5, 2014 by rockitdoc (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelincoln Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 There were several V-12's at Pebble Beach last year, haven't seen 2014 results yet, but yours could be next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) 136 were made, you should order the build sheet, it's worth the $20, mines 127, built the day before production stopped. They're beauts n worth saving. How'd it get "dropped" in your lap?Where can I order this build sheet? I would like to do that.... My friend is a hollywood actor, and he has had it sitting in this dirt lot for like 15 years.... so he ask me to do something with it... restore it, or chop it for him for a hollywood cruiser. So, as usual, I start with my research... and it seems to be that it would be better to restore it... so i guess it will occupy 25% of my garage floor for the next 1-2 years... If I wanted it bad enough for my own he would probably just give it to me, or sale it to me for next to nada, he is that type of friend, and that type of a man, really amazing person.. just a real stand up kind of guy, ...... but its not my style, although a beautiful car.. And I am excited to see her restored. So, my plan is to start sometime first quarter of next year,,,, as that is when I should be finished building my new garage, and all the other projects are in or near a finished state, thank god:-) As you probably know, any history like famous or notorious previous owners can increase value quite a bit. Do you have documentation of the previous owners? Any feathers in the back seat?Trying to get this... not easy, but we do know its history..,any ideas????. and we are sure of her history, but to find evidence and to prove it, yes... it is a needed step. There were several V-12's at Pebble Beach last year, haven't seen 2014 results yet, but yours could be next!lol... :-) shooting for 2016:-) Edited October 8, 2014 by pauldana (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C. Douglas Johnson Jr. Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Benson Research Center po box 1970 Dearbon Mi 48124 I have body #19 out of 136, Was sitting in North Dakota for 40 years before I pulled it out this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 A forum member contacted me and sent me this article.....this is in fact the same car!! and it has the Cadalac engine in it:-)Question... should I keep the Cadlac engine Sally put in, or put the V-12 back in it... which would make the car more valuable?[/url 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Old thread,, I know:-) But I got her today!!!:-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mssr. Bwatoe Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Excellent, lets see a picture!! jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Here are some pictures of the car now... I need to find a V-12 1942 engine... the engine pictured is the one sally put into the car... does this V-8 have any value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 am i only allowed 9mb per day or total? i can not upload any more pictures???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I was able to go completely out of the thread then come back in a short time later through the main page, not leaving the page open as a tab, and load additional photos. Might be worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldana Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 am i only allowed 9mb per day or total? i can not upload any more pictures???? thx, will try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pauldana Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 its ruff.... but I can restore it to its original condition i believe within a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmd Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 The v12 was not considered reliable, so that's probably why the v8 was put in. Also the post-war grille and bumpers were considered more stylish than the 42 grille and bumpers (at the time). Given the rarity of the 42 model and the cleaner look of the 42 grille and bumpers, you could do a full restoration to original, which could be worth a lot. Or you could restore it to what it was made to be, using the grille you've got and the v8, because of the provenance of the feather dancer maybe being of value to someone. Either way, I think its a rare enough car that restomoding it would be a shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfreakofkorn Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 i would say, restore it with upgrading the wiring in it not to many of them around, i would say esp a convertible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicardoRocha Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Hi, I’m restoring a 1942 Linconl Convertible here in Brasil.I’m looking for the right engine color. It was write above something about factory sheet. Where it is available? thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicardoRocha Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) Hi, I’m restoring a 1942 Linconl Convertible here in Brazil. I would like to know the right engine color. It was writed above about a factory sheet. Where do I find it? thank you. Edited May 10, 2019 by RicardoRocha Add photos (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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