Guest Mackack10 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Hi everyone- firstly, I have little knowledge about cars, so identifying this antique vehicle is impossible for me. I figure if this car can be identified, it will be by someone on this thread. I apologize for the poor photo, but I do know the picture was shot on Long Island, NY somewhere between 1901 & 1917. From photos on the internet, Fiats & Cadillacs from 1911-13 look similar, but I really don't have a clue. Any help/information is truly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The high set headlights might suggest 1913-14 Huppmobile.Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Commodore Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I think Terry's got it right. Here is a photo of a 1913 Huppmobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Not convinced. Front fenders are different for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Not convinced. Front fenders are different for one.I am not convinced, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I agree, not convinced either. The Hup has an irregular shape hood and different shape doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 To be honest, I was convinced either, but I thought it might get the discussion started. Having said that, I can't think of any other car with headlights set that high at the moment. :confused: Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I wonder if this picture has been touched up a bit. The lines around the doors seem odd and maybe the line of the front fender has been altered. It could be an early Chevrolet Baby Grand or a 1913/14 Buick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mackack10 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I wonder if this picture has been touched up a bit. The lines around the doors seem odd and maybe the line of the front fender has been altered. It could be an early Chevrolet Baby Grand or a 1913/14 Buick.The car itself was definitely not touched up- comes from an original photo. However, the background has been blurred vignette style. Thank you everyone for your help! I'm hoping the car can ultimately be identified, but it is a daunting task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 The front and rear fenders on the blue car look different. The front fenders look flat, but the rear fenders look to have a crown on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 The front and rear fenders on the blue car look different. The front fenders look flat, but the rear fenders look to have a crown on them.I think that's just the light and shadow of the body playing on the rear fender. Look more toward the rear of the rear fender and it looks more flat there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I've been thinking the car may not be an American make. Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Commodore Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I am thinking that the hood is from a different car. The downward break on the hood doesn't match the cowl and the hood is a different color then the rest of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) It was not uncommon in the brass era to have the hood,fenders and splash aprons a different color than the body. I would date the car around 1913 or 14 as it clearly has electric lights. Edited April 7, 2014 by Dandy Dave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 It was not uncommon in the brass era to have the hood,fenders and splash aprons a different color than the body. I would date the car around 1913 or 14 as it clearly has electric lights.It was around the same time that cowl lines and hood lines didn't necessarily line up as well. I've been looking at the doors - they are very narrow, and the fact that the front fenders drop straight down and the rear edge of the rear fenders goes straight out. Haven't found anything yet with those points.Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 It was around the same time that cowl lines and hood lines didn't necessarily line up as well. I've been looking at the doors - they are very narrow, and the fact that the front fenders drop straight down and the rear edge of the rear fenders goes straight out. Haven't found anything yet with those points.TerryI haven't found anything with those points either. Another possibility, the lights may be an aftermarket item added later to a 1910 to 12 car? Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mackack10 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Thanks everyone for your help! DandyDave, one of the closest I've come to the car is an Italian Fiat- though the door shape was ever-so-slightyl different, so it is possible it may not be an American car. What are your thoughts about a Pierce Arrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I looked at the Pierce Arrows. But the lights are totally different being that they are incorporated in the fenders in 1914. The 1913 models are lower than the lights in the photo. Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prs519 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think the front fenders have been modified substantially from the type on the OP/Hupmobile. Cowl length seems similar to Hupp pictured, and my imagination says (however slight), that the hood has a falling away panel, but obscured by the light reflection and minimized by the viewing angle. Admit my evidence is all questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 Hupp Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 On the Hupp, I believe the headlights are higher (above the radiator) and the filler neck is very tall..............Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 On the Hupp, I believe the headlights are higher (above the radiator) and the filler neck is very tall..............DaleAgreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prs519 Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I found this 1914 Hupmobile at a European website, and I am sticking with Huff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 Hupp Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Doors are totally different on Hupp....squarer & come down all the way to the splash aprons ................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30sclassics Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I believe it may be a Henderson, made in Indianapolis between 1912 and 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30sclassics Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I neglected to add a photo of a Henderson: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prs519 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I think you may have found it, after all. I see nothing to count against this Henderson, not even the paint scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I noticed the similarity while looking up the Henderson in response to a post on orphan cars by Nancy DeWitt of Fountainhead Museum in Fairbanks,Ak. yesterday. Nancy has a Henderson with an incomplete body.While close it's not exact.http://www.american-automobiles.com/Henderson.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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