What is this car? Specifically the year or years

Any help identifying this car would be greatly appreciated.

Just a wild guess...1919 Buick?

I'm not sure if this helps but this photo was taken in southern Texas or Louisiana.

Now who can ID the tricycle?

The date is about right but it is definitely not a Buick. Google it and you will see the different radiator. The badge is different as well. The contemporary Nash has a similar radiator but the fenders are wrong for Nash.

I thought the badge looked Oldsmobile...ish, but again, the radiator is different.

I asked my grandfathers friend who restores cars and he told me it was a pan motor company car. I noticed pictures online that looked just like it but I was unsure whether other companies like they do today made "Sister" cars where two different companies made similar cars with some interchangeable parts. I also wanted to see what you guys thought it was first before I gave someone else's opinion.

What do you think?

I don't think it's a Pan. Too many differences. About the only things the same are the rear windows.

Yeah I just now noticed the windshield is not a match. On a Pan the glass is curved. On this one it's rectangle. There is a logo on the front but don't know what it means. The bumper, fender, side-step, wheels, and rear window looks like a Pan.

What I really want to do is get this photo dated and I think the car is the only proof in the photo. My family thinks this photo was for sure taken in 1909 and I disagreed with them and thought is was not that old but maybe closer to 1920. So third party opinion in needed.

Fenders look Buick, but the radiator does not look right and the cowl at the firewall does not look right either. Would vote not Buick

To Historylover, you are right that this photo was taken much later than 1909. It is definitely no earlier than 1918 and more likely at least 1921 because of the style of front fenders. Most cars of the 1918-20 period had plain tops on the fenders and that style with the shaped tops was popular in the 1921-24 era. In 1909 most cars had brass radiators, gas lights, vertical windshields and no front doors.

I really appreciate the responses and opinions. Thank you and I welcome any further opinions.

The shape of the cowl and the way the rear half of the front fenders gradually slop back to the running boards instead of following the shape of the front wheel, ending sharply the way many cars did in the very early 1920's, leads me to believe the car was made around 1925 or so. Also, the girl on the tricycle has a bobbed hair cut. That was in vogue in the late 1920's and very early 1930's. The photo is most certainly not from 1909.

No exterior door handles or cowl lights visible in the picture.

I'd guess 1919 Studebaker special six.

Dennis

I was thinking Stude also, but they did not have the pronounced crown in the fender. The late teens, early 20s Studes had flat, rather plain fenders...

Frank

I am in agreement with the Buick contingency, but I believe about 1922 to 1924.

Perry

Mitchell

I go with 1919 Buick H-45

This is from the Lemay collection and is a well documented original. The convertible top doesn't match but...

I also agree with the mid twenties period on the photo. The hairstyle is a giveaway. That style wasn't terribly popular until 21 or so. I think the top could have been replaced. That the windows are after market. It looks in great shape and, with the age of the car at the time the pic was taken, would be a little rough having been parked outside on the street for years. Just my guess.

I go with 1919 Buick H-45

This is from the Lemay collection and is a well documented original. The convertible top doesn't match but...

I also agree with the mid twenties period on the photo. The hairstyle is a giveaway. That style wasn't terribly popular until 21 or so. I think the top could have been replaced. That the windows are after market. It looks in great shape and, with the age of the car at the time the pic was taken, would be a little rough having been parked outside on the street for years. Just my guess.

The cowl on the car in question is straight all of the way to the windshield whereas the cowl on this car curves up near the windshield.

Dang it!! Keiser, you have one fine eye for cars... But that radiator emblem, although grainy and out focus makes me lean toward Buick...maybe Studebaker but obviously sometimes I miss things!!

I have been searching for a car with the same cowl and it is a somewhat rare configuration to have the cowl go straight into the windshield without curving upwards.

1919 Studebaker?

Photo from the web

I have a 1920 Studebaker and a 17 Mitchell. I'm sticking with 1919 Stude special six.

Exterior door handles and cowl lights were introduced in 1920. Disc wheels were optional.

Dennis