clawson Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) 1923 Pierce Arrow Limousine. It is one of only 6 left known in existence. It is in original condition. It has some wreck damage on the right front end, to include fender and the axle is knocked loose due to a broken spring. Engine does not turn over. All the major parts are there and most of the small items. Complete set of pictures are available upon request of serious interested buyers.$10,000. or best offerUpdate: we have fixed the front suspension except for the broken main leaf. we have installed all new tires so we can roll it around. as of today 01-12-2012 the engine still does not turn over. Edited January 12, 2012 by clawson update (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil G Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) I have lots of extra mechanical and body parts if someone buys it. Good luck with the sale! Edited October 4, 2011 by Neil G (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 $10,000. or best offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A1915dodge Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 What an amazing car.Wish I had 10k! This will be such a fun resto for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 I agree. but hard times have hit us all and are not able to do the restore our selfs. thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prs519 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Looks to be all aluminum...I think that was a very expensive metal at that time? Anybody know how expensive aluminum was in 1923? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 you are correct, the body is all alumunum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil G Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 not so much the cost of aluminum but the cost of working it, Pierce always had the finest craftsmen.Looks to be all aluminum...I think that was a very expensive metal at that time? Anybody know how expensive aluminum was in 1923? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A1915dodge Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My 24 Lincoln is also an aluminum body as well as several other high end cars of that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 The bodies of most aluminum bodied cars are carefully worked thin sheet aluminum. Ten years or so previous to this car Pierce Arrow ; and at least a few others such as Marmon , used bodies constructed out of aluminum castings. I have a 1914 Marmon body {unfortunately not the rest of the car} and the way it is constructed is amazing. Obviously not suited for large quantity production. If you ever see a 1960's Mercedes {full size not SL} convertible stripped down for restoration , you will be astonished at the large aluminum castings used in the body construction. It's wonderful when cost is secondary to quality. All the best Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willys77 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I saw a 1928 Lincoln with an all aluminum body back about 1974 or so ~ sitting in the junk pile "down on the farm!" The guy who owned it was into Model As more than the Lincoln! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A1915dodge Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Cheaper parts easier to work on.4cyl so less gas. I have a 1928 A sports coupe and its a fun car! I know lots of Horsless carriage members who have pierce arrows,wintons,loziers,etc. and guess what they drive out on most tours there model t.Sombody buy this pierce already its a great deal and can blow most any other car of the era out of the water when restored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 supposedly some where there is a picture of a u.s. president who either used to rent this limo or owned it, with him standing in front of it or with it... have not been able to find it yet. that is the information I got from the previous owner.and it is priced to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil G Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 There's a pic of one at the White House that I have but no 33's were used by presidents. Wilson's limo was a 1919 and still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 I think who ever used it, it was as a rental, but who knows at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I remember reading or talking, years ago, about traveling body craftsmen who made regular rounds forming the more difficult panels for body builders. The rear sections with the compound curves were hardest and left for the out-source guys. In-house did the lightly curved easier ones.Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harold Phillips Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 This was common on high end car bodies, might like to see. I am in San Bernardino Co. need to see where you are, Last thing I need is another project but this looks interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 This was common on high end car bodies, might like to see. I am in San Bernardino Co. need to see where you are, Last thing I need is another project but this looks interestingthe car is in Arcata, ca. I can send more pictures if you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brando & Joanne Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Where is the car located (city, state). Please send more photos and description if any to joanne@transflor.com Joanne and Brando PistoriusTampa, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Where is the car located (city, state). Please send more photos and description if any to joanne@transflor.com Joanne and Brando PistoriusTampa, Floridaemail with pictures on the way. thank you for your inquirecraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Isn't the Model 33 a T head engine? This doesn't appear to be a T head.the serial number of the engine is about 3 didgits from the chassis serial number, so I assume that engine is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil G Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The series 33 is an L head engine, not a T head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 john smith, I don't understand your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It is in fact a T head,,,BUT with detatchable head,,,dual valves and dual[coil] ignition,,The block is cast as one piece,,,Top quality all over,,Cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 It is in fact a T head,,,BUT with detatchable head,,,dual valves and dual[coil] ignition,,The block is cast as one piece,,,Top quality all over,,Cheers BenIs there a flow chart somewhere that shows the T head configuration? I haved never heard of the T head before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Do you have a friend with old car books and manuals,,,its pretty much coverd in the older books,,,Dykes [automobile and gas engine encyclopedia ]]]]],,aah]] Homans book,,also ,Victor W Page' books are good too,,,Pierce used the T head from 1904[or earlier] to the end of the big 6s ,,,model 36 in 1928,,, The dual valve engine came in with the series 5 around 1918,,and was the introduction of the removable head on Pierce,,When the President died,,,the Vice Pres made a hasty trip from Vermont to Washington,,There is a photo of the party in front of general store getting provisions for the nonstop trip,,So one way or 'nuther Pierces were involved in Washington,,Hope this helps,,Cheers Ben ///Ok-OK I cant recall the lineage///Woodrow,, Warren G,,Calvin,, Herbert,,FDR,,,cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Warren G. Harding died in office in 1923. He was succeeded by Vice President Calvin Coolidge who was in Vermont at the time visiting his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 Warren G. Harding died in office in 1923. He was succeeded by Vice President Calvin Coolidge who was in Vermont at the time visiting his family.we are told by the previous owner of this car that it was used by calvin coolidge as a lease car or rental and there is a photograph of him standing next to this car. but I have not found it yet, and at this time have no way of verifying the serial number to see if it is infact the care used by the president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Beg your pardon,,,,The Coolages were likely to not borrow or rent anything,,,Simple to tell the butler what was needed in the morning,,I dont know if they kept their own staff or used the federal staff,, [[[[Please don't take my words seriously,,,,,only trying to inject the stiff words of those days,,,,a different vocabulary,,,,clumsy for my generation to choose a style in keeping with the time frame,,,The kids prolly d'notce,,,Cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest matei Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest matei Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 HI i like to took to you about your pierce arrow 33 limousine .Please ghivme your phone number. i want to buy vour car. THANKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 I tried to email you Matie, but you email address is not valid with yahoo. so I am unable to send you my phone number at this time. give me your phone number and I will call you. thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 I agree Dave, that is why I did not post my number with this ad, as I have gotten fooled before on Craig's list.thanks nice to see someone else sees as a bit fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest matei Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 this its my phone number 514-553-4568 THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Sorry Matei, you email got stuck in my junk file, I tried to call you today and left a message, If you are still intrested please call me back asap, as I have two other people intrested in this car, one has made an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 as we all suspeceted the number postes was to someone who had no idea about this ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Saxton Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 You will find the engine is a T-head, which is a side valve, which exhaust valves on one side and inlets on the other. There are four valves per cylinder. The reason that photos may make it look like an overhead valve is that the company boss at that time, a Colonel Mixter, was so pleased by the improved performance of the engine of this model that he decreed it should have a dress cover over the top of everything. They called it "Mixter's Top Hat". Best wishes to whoever buys and restores the car. They are beautifully built to the highest standards, and I always wanted one but there were none about here. I had two L-head sixes that did not interest me much, and so I gave them both away to friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Thanks for the information Ivan, always nice to find out more about this car. this engine also has duel ignitions systems so there are 12 spark plugs in the head and two distributators. I wish I had the ability and money to get this engine running. would love to hear it run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 If the engine is free,,,,put oil in the cylenders and crank it over,,,The starter has the most enjoyable sound,,,caused by the double reduction gears,in the starter drive,,,Music,,,Of course take all precaution of turning an old engine,,dump krap out of oil pan etc,,,be sure the valves are not stuck,,before turning,,Cheers Ben,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 well not sure the engine is free, cannot turn it via the front of the crank, it has had diesel in the cylinders for a couple weeks not and still can't turn it, but you starter idea might be the ticket, may have to try that. will advise what I find.thanks craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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