Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 1932 REO Royal convertiable coupe for sale. I would say its at least 85 to 90% restored with only minor things keepin it from beein fully restored. I would appreciate some input on history as well as pricing information on this car. From what i've read there are only three actually registered cars of this description. Please let me know what ya'll thinkJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Please let me know what ya'll thinkAmazing...the 2nd Royale here for sale in a week.I would have no idea on pricing a conv coupe Royale..that's an incredible car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Ok then. Any chance of knowing who i might get in touch with on finding out more about this car? From what i've heard and read its a very rare car not easily found. Any more info would be greatly appreciated.JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Albright Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I have no idea how to price it either,but its a neat car that I might be interested in buying. Please email me some photos and when you can, give me a price range you are thinking for it. Thanks,George Albright,Ocala,Fla. email: gnalbright@gmail.com cell 352 843 1624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) As always pictures tell a thousand worlds. Did you just buy this or did you inherit it? Partially finished restorations are not necessarily good for selling but this is a very desirable car. Hopefully the quality of the restoration is commensurate with that. The Victoria we were discussing in the other thread is no where near as valuable however for top dollar the work has to be concours level and there can't be any missing pieces. Poor work and missing pieces this would still be worth more then a nicely restored Victoria in my opinion. Edited February 23, 2010 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 By partially finished im talking about just polish and shine type stuff. The car is all original and runs and drives. I have plenty of pictures just trying to figure out how to post them oin this thread. Anyone interested should let me know. Thank you.JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I have plenty of pictures just trying to figure out how to post them oin this thread. JSIt's easy. On the bottom of the "post reply", you can choose "go advanced", do that and then look for: "manage attachments". Click that to get the window to pop up with a form that has multiple "BROWSE" boxes. Click a "browse" and it will allow you to uplink a pic....or do several Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1927 S Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I am very interested in your car. My contact information is as follows. Brian Coffee skindoccoffee@aol.com 937-776-7202 cell 937-642-2393 home Thanks for your time. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 This is what i have right now. Let me know what you think. Thank you.JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Lets try this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Like i stated in the other post, i have had the car appraised by two different gentlemen. The problem im having is that neither knew as much about the car as i was wanting to know. They both gave their opinion and pricing but left me wanting to know more. Im looking to sell this car for anywhere between what they appraised at and what i have found others going for. Taking off some for the fact that there is still little doo-dads that need to be done. Thank you.JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Braverman Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Are you sure about the model of this car? It appears to be the same body as the Flying Cloud. I have a Franklin Olympic convertible, which is essentially a Reo Flying Cloud with a Franklin engine. The only reason I am questioning it, is that I always thought the Royale convertibles had landau irons on the top as shown in the ad posted above. It's hard to tell from your photos, but the car does not appear large enough to be a Royale. Does it have a six or eight cylinder engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Steve is being polite That car is not a Royale.It is a Flying CloudIt is still very rare, but not any where near the same value as a Royale....like the difference between a 32 Cad V8 compared to a 32 Cad V16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I photographed this '31 or '32 REO Royale Conv Cpe at the Auto 100 Parade and Show in Detroit in 1996. Larger, click once after opening to enlarge.For what it's worth, the Old Cars Price Guide (Feb, 2010) lists a number one '32 Royale Model 8-35 Cvt Cpe at $150,000 (seems rather low). The '32 Flying Cloud Model S is priced at: Std. Cvt Cpe, $35,000; Spt. Cvt Cpe, $36,000; Deluxe Cvt cpe, $37,000. Based on that, expect to pay at least 3-4 times the price of a Flying Cloud for a Royale...That is, if you can find one. Really beautiful automobiles.TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 That's why a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, it's worth dropping a zero off the end of the value. 150k for a #1 Royale Conv is about 1/2 of what one sold at auction last year for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Agreed,From Coachbuilt.com, read about this '32 Royale that recently sold at auction for $220,000...TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Agreed,From Coachbuilt.com, read about this '32 Royale that recently sold at auction for $220,000...TGFor some reason 300k had stuck in my mind but 220 is not chump change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Ok now im really confused. I thank you all for your help. If you can i would like to know more about the car as well as what i should do from here. Like i said both people i had look the car over even assumed it was a royale but they were probably just goin on what was on the title. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 If those were professional appraisers that told you it was a Royale then you should ask for your money back. Do you have any better pictures? Engine compartment, interior? Also, do you know the history of the car? It's hard to determine condition from your photos although it looks like an older restoration or mostly original car. A true original car that is usable has more value then an older restoration. Although it's not a Royale, conv coupes on any chassis are very collectible. The bad part is that it's more like 10s of thousands of dollars for the value as opposed to 100s of thousands with a Royale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Here is a 34 Flying Cloud (a very nice one) that was listed for sale last year.http://forums.aaca.org/f119/1934-reo-flying-cloud-266262.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) JS,The easiest way to determine what you really have is to measure the wheelbase, and share with us any VIN #'s or better yet, any body tag ID's.Flying Cloud, Model 6-S, 117" whb, Serial # 6S-1-704 to 6S-1509. began April 1, 1932(The range of Serial #'s is for all 2nd-generation Flying Clouds, not just Conv Cpes). There were no 1st-generation Conv Coupes.Hope this helps,TG Edited February 24, 2010 by TG57Roadmaster (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Well, you asked for opinions.... Looking at the pics, I see a car that has sat outside long enough for someone to mow grass "around" the car ?? and I think the paint looks a bit dull from exposure?? I can't see this being a #2 car by any stretch, so there is no sense in comparing this Clould to a top-end fresh #1 resto like the other car in the link was.Today's market for a less than perfect , but very rare car in a desirable body style, is dropping since the start of the year.....and it does not seem like it is slowing down. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest king_of_ctown Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I appreciate all of the help from you gentlemen. After a great deal of help and insight from Mr. George Albright i have been able to verify that this vehicle is a 1932 REO Flying Cloud. Again I appreciate all of the help and information forwarded my way. Thank You.JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gump159 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 If I recall correctly, the Serial number is stamped on the top frame rail, left side of the engine compartment. 6S1 to 1509 is 1932 It is possible this car is a Royale 6...serial number will be 7S-100 and up, I don't think very much has been published about it.If it is a Royale 8 the serial number will be 35N 2712 to 35N 2875.Always glad to talk REO Royale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Braverman Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Even if the car is a Flying Cloud, there are probably less than 10 surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 If I recall correctly, the Serial number is stamped on the top frame rail, left side of the engine compartment. 6S1 to 1509 is 1932 It is possible this car is a Royale 6...serial number will be 7S-100 and up, I don't think very much has been published about it.If it is a Royale 8 the serial number will be 35N 2712 to 35N 2875.Always glad to talk REO Royale.Did they make the Royale six in 32?Btw, have you sold yours yet? How about some pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 The Royale 6 was a '35 & '36 offering, Royale in name only, apparently no convertibles, only a coupe & sedans priced under $1,000. Back to the '32 FC Conv Cpe; as there were only 1509 of all models produced untill the '33's began production, a convertible must be rarer than hen's teeth!TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest REO&packard Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) Currently owning a 33 Flying Cloud S2 and a 35 Royale 7S I can assure you that the car in question is not a 7S model. The 7S was only built in 35 and was the only Royale with a REO built 268ci 6cyl!I might guess it to be an 8-21 or 8-25 Flying Cloud, the only Flying clouds offered with a Continental straight 8 branded with REO. BUT....... I have never seen one or have ever heard of one built! It is most def Pre-1931 Edited February 26, 2010 by REO&packard (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 This brochure/mailer from Walter Miller's shows the second-series '32 REO Flying Cloud, which ran from April 1, 1932 to July 13, 1932, when the '33's began. At least that's the dates my infallible Red Book (Nat'l Used Car Market Report) quotes, and their data is almost gospel. That short production span explains the scant run of S1-S1509 cars produced for the '32 second-series. The '33 Serial Numbers began at S1510; the Red Book also lists the following as '33 models; S1128, S1130, S1131, S1206, S1236, S1247, S1298, S1300, S1307, S1360, S1476, S1478, S1481, S1486, S1487, S1489, S1498, S1503, S1504, S1505, S1506. Whether these are holdovers from '32 sales or leftover chassis/motors from the '32 range is for others to explain. In all this, I'm not questioning the expertise of others more knowledgeable, just reporting stats from a comprehensive, contemporary source. This has turned into a pretty fascinating thread, and, more than ever, the Serial Number of the '32 Conv Cpe in question needs to be known (and shared), for the benefit of the owner, and for those of us following these posts.TG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) After a little digging, here's the brochure's 1932 Flying Cloud 6S Convertible Coupe, compared to the real car...Curiously, the rendering shows forward-opening doors; production change or artistic license? The '33 drawing below shows the doors as in the '32's brochure illustration...And the '33 Flying Cloud Six, Model 2S, with its skirted front fenders, began Dec. 26, 1932...Now the plot thickens, and we've got to get the answer!TG Edited February 27, 2010 by TG57Roadmaster (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I think the 32 brochure is a pretty good match for the car in this thread. There was always quite a bit of artistic variation between the renderings and the actual cars. This falls well within those boundaries in my opinion. The serial numbers would certainly clear this up quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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