Guest Jacobus2 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hi folks-I'm hoping someone can identify this automobile. The people in it are my grandfather and my great-great-grandfather. There is another picture of the same car in a Columbus Ohio newspaper article from 1902, so I know it is vintage 1902 at the latest. Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2dameron Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I can see quite a bit of similarity to a 1901 Pope-Toledo which was a steam car. Let's see what someone else says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Curious as to your name. Is Jacobus a town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hi,Pope Toledo for sure. See our Help Page 3 SVVS Web Assistance with Classic, Vintage and Veteran Cars. Saw one at the weekend at the London to Brighton Veteran car Run.RegardsVintman (UK)Classic Cars, Veteran Cars and Vintage Cars - The Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Paulsen Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I think john2dameron is on the right track. I think it's a Toledo. Pope wasn't involved at this time. I think Pope eventually bought them up, but in 1901-1903, they were just Toledo's. And yes, it is a steam car.Thanks for sharing.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Sorry,Meant Toledo without the Pope bit!! Habit .Vintman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jacobus2 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 "Jacobus" is my middle name. It was my father's father's given name. It is Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jacobus2 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I can see quite a bit of similarity to a 1901 Pope-Toledo which was a steam car. Let's see what someone else says.Thanks all! I am researching and writing the personal history of William Huston, my great great grandfather, and this will add one more little morsel. He and his wife took this automobile on a European tour ca 1905 - 1907. That must have been quite an adventure. Unfortunately there are only a handful of photos of this gentleman and a few family stories. I'm having to piece together most of his story from little scraps like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Huston Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hi Jacobus2,I sent you a private message. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick Howell Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hello Jacobus2,As you know by now the car is a Toledo steam carriage, made in Toledo Ohio. I received a copy your photo via a friend in Australia! We both have Toledo's, his is 1901 and mine 1902. What is unusual about "yours" is that it has been modified from the original. This is the first time either of us has seen one with a Surrey top and to be bale to put that on the extra handrails and posts have been added. Additionally there is a box that has been put in below the floor boards which has the backets attached to it for the front mudguards--also non standard. To put this box in place, which may have been made so that the driver could carry some tools, one, at least, of the two fuel tanks, has been moved lower (the cylinder shape below and behind the box). An extra piece of coachwork has also been added between the curved front of the car, which is actually an aluminium casting, and the side "entrance"; this rectangular shape addition also appears to have either a crest or a large capital W painted on it.If I was able to see a clearer scan of the original there are probably a number of other interesting points that will be revealed. Hope this is of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jacobus2 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) Nick-Thank you for your interest. I've heard from Art Hart, who I think is one of your fellow Toledo enthusiasts, and he also offered his observations. William Huston, my g-g-grandfather pictured in the car, made his fortune in Columbus OH in the 1880s as a carriage manufacturer. His company was the Huston Spring Wagon Company. So he certainly would have been capable and interested in "tinkering" with his new toy. Also, I believe this photo was taken very near the time he would have been setting off to tour Europe with this auto. As for the symbol painted on the side my suspicion is that the W is for his name William. I've tried to look for an H embedded in it without luck, maybe you can see it. Perhaps it was a logo from his carriage company but I've been unable to see it anywhere else.The photo is only 3.5 by 7" and is in rather poor condition. However, I have prepared a much higher resolution copy of the scan with no "noise reduction" or "sharpening" applied (in Photoshop) so you can have a closer look. I can't attach it here (too big) but if you'll send me your email address I will forward it to you. Thanks!-Rick Van Stolk Edited November 10, 2009 by Jacobus2 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick Howell Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hello Rick,Well that's all interesting information. I wonder if your GG came to the Uk on his European tour? My private e-mail address is nick@pilchardworks.co.uk.Look forward to seeing any photos of the car. RegardsNick H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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