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7 lug 18 inch wire wheel - split rim? removable outer bead ring


Jim Rohn

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We have a pair of these wheels, pretty sure they are off a big car of the late 20's or early 30's, just not sure what. The tire size of the US Royal is 6.50 18. They are the removable outer rim style (the outer bead was chrome on this wheel, it is not there). We can't find any numbers stamped on the rims. Any assistance in identifying them would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clincher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some models of FRANKLIN and REO cars used seven lug wheels in the early 'thirties. </div></div>

Franklin used 19" wheels from 1930-33. In '34 they went to a drop-center type wheel.

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It looks like the wheels I used to have from about 1934(guess) V12 Cadillac. The man who finally broke up that car never had the engine (mid 1950's), used the front hubs and stubs for a trailer DC welder he built for us which had a 1924 Chrysler engine. He made the rear axle into a farm slasher, which was lost. I got the gearbox for a friend to whom I gave the wheels and hubs, who was gathering parts to build a V16. Ivan Saxton.

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ok, looked up pics of Franklins and they all had the lugs outside of the center of the wheels, so am guessing it is NOT for a Franklin.

The Reo Royale looks like it may be correct, not sure.

Can't find any good info on the Cadillac wheels, the pics I have found show a one piece outer rim, not the kind with the separate outer rim, have to keep searching I guess

Kind of looks like this 31 Packard has the same style wheels, trying to find a list of wheel bolt patterns to confirm:

http://www.oldride.com/classic_cars/667763.html

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim Rohn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok, looked up pics of Franklins and they all had the lugs outside of the center of the wheels, so am guessing it is NOT for a Franklin. </div></div>

Actually, only 1929 Franklins had lugs outside the hubcap, and the wheel in question looks very much like a Franklin wheel. Only the size is wrong.

This is the only picture I have showing the wheel, sorry it's spinning so fast smile.gif

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that is what i was thinking they were, but I can't find any info on what cars were made with 7 lug wheels

They also look like Packard wheels, but i don't know if Packards ever had 7 lug wheels in 18" size, looked all through the Turnquest Packard book and no info ...

last year I found a chart on the internet of old cars and their bolt diameters and bolt centers (hindsight says i should have printed off the info, but hindsight again) but I can't find it now.

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I have an 1930 Chrysler model 77, that has 7 lug 5.50 18 inch wheels. Front wheels have lead weights, rear do not have weights. I will take a look at my wheels, I think the back tires might be 6.50 18 inch. If you are interested in selling, I am always looking for spares. Brian Coffee

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Guest prs519

Buick, I do not believe used a seven lug pattern, could be wrong. As for Steve Braverman, what do you mean taking a stationary picture of a spinning wheel? That should be illegal, unless one uses a strobe light....HO!

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Okay, I will try to offer something a little bit more meaty. My reprint Hollanders 28-48, shows the following vehicles using 7 lug wheels with 7 inch bolt circle.

Chrysler 28-29 72&75, Chrysler 30 77, Franklin 28-32 14 15, Gardner '28 95 Gardner'29-31 130, Graham '28-29 629, Graham 29-39 621, 827 837. Graham '30 822 42. Hudson '29, Hupp 29-32 H & US. Peerless 29-30 125", Packard 30-31 826 833, Packard 323 std 8-901, 902. Reo 29-30 Master. Reo '31-33 Royale 35 F.c.31. Viking 29-30..whew. Note this tells which wheels will interchange, but says nothing about tire size. I think it is possible to ascertain that at well with Hollanders, but it is a bit tedious. However, if one knows which of the above took a particular size tire (rim) from the factory, one would narrow down the candidates.

Perry in Idaho

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Cars that used 6.50 x 18 tires as standard:

1930 Auburn 125

1930 Hudson Great 8 119, 126.

1930 Gardner 150, 1931 8-150 and 8-158

1928 Graham 629, 835; 1930, 1931 Custom 8

1929 Peerless 8-69

1929 Pierce Arrow 8 model 143, some model 133; 1932 model 54

1930 Reo 25; 1931 & 32 models 30, 35; 1933 & 34 Royale

1931, 1932 Studebaker President 8

Reviewing the list from Perry in Idaho: If you assume that the tire size is correct for the wheel, that eliminates Chrysler, Franklin, Hupp, Packard, Studebaker, Viking, 1930 Peerless, 1928 and 1929 Gardner, 1929 Reo, and 1929 Hudson.

Perry’s list eliminates Auburn, Hudson, Pierce from the above tire list.

That leaves the following:

1930 Gardner 150, 1931 8-150 and 8-158

1928 Graham 629, 835; 1930, 1931 Custom 8

1929 Peerless 8-69

1930 Reo 25; 1931 & 32 models 30, 35; 1933 & 34 Royale

I hope this helps narrow it down.

Roger

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Graham had 18 inch rims in Second series 1930, 1931 and First series 1932 all seven bolt rims for the eights and big sixes. The 1928 and First series 1929 had 19 inch rims on the eights and big sixes. All the eights and big sixes used the same bolt pattern so the wheels are interchangable. If you want to sell them I would suggest the web sight graham-paige.com or the Graham publication "The Supercharger"

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I have had a lot of matches, just not able to find pictures to confirm. It appears there is a lot of ones they COULD be for, ie 18" and 7 lug, just not SURE on the split ring outer portion, so I guess in answer to your question my answer is no ... :)

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My 1930 second series Graham 822 has 18" with a 7 hole pattern but it has 6 weight where the spokes are attached to the outer rim. Tire size and brand is embossed in the chrome snap ring. "Firestone 550".

Armando Villalobos

822 Graham paige

El Paso, TX

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My two cents worth:

1929 Chrysler 75

1928-32 Franklin 14 15

1929 Hudson

1929 Reo Master

All had 7 lug 18” but the lugs were on the outside of the hub. All wheels were manufactured by the same company and are interchangeable.

1930 Chrysler 77,

1931-33 Reo Royale

Had wheels identical to that pictured. 7 lug 18” with the lugs internal to the hub. Once again the wheels were manufactured by the same company and are identical.

Packard 30-31 826 833,

Packard 323 std 8-901, 902.

Had wheels similar to that pictured only the spokes were thicker and chromed.

These I don’t know_

1929 Graham

Gardner '28 95

Gardner'29-31 130,

Hupp 29-32 H & US.

Peerless 29-30 125",

35 F.c.31. Viking 29-30

Laurie

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I have a Rim & Wheel Service Co catalog [Detroit, MI] dated 1941. It list all wheels demountable at the hub, wood, wire, disc & steel spoke for most USA cars.

Chrysler 1931 CG, Imperial 8- 7bolt 7"cir; 18"x5" rim

Chrysler 1931 CG, Imperial 8- 7bolt 7"cir; 17"x5" rim

Nash 1932 9-90 - 7bolt 7" cir; 19"x5" rim

Packard 1930-31 Lt 8, 826-833 - 7bolt 7"cir; 19"x4-1/2" rim

Packard 1932 Std 8, 901-902; same as above

Reo 1931-32 25,621,821 - 7bolt 7"cir; 17"x4-1/2"rim

Reo 1932-35 8-25; same as above

They do not list less popular makes like Franklin but as you can see the ONLY 18" rim is the Chrysler 1931 CG.

Stude8

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