CBoz Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 I recently had two grill emblems restored (one as a backup). Unfortunately, the results were less than spectacular. I have sent the message below to the company that did the work and am awaiting a response. Should they respond favorably, I'll pass that info on. If they do not, I'll let you know who I'm talking about *************************Hello -I am writing with regard to two 1937 Lincoln-Zephyr emblems that you recently restored for me. While I realize that there are no guarantees, I must say I was disappointed with the results. Specifically:1. Both emblems have very noticeable cracks and flaws in the enamel. In fact, they look like old material, which makes me wonder if the enamel was indeed replaced.2. On one of the emblems, no effort was made to straighten the metail on the edge -- it was simply chromed over, resulting in an emblem that is no closer to show condition than when I started.I would be glad to send you pictures to illustrate these flaws if you are interested.Sincerely,Cecil Bozarth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBoz Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Here is the response from the vendor. It was pleasant enough, but the lesson is, <span style="text-decoration: underline">if your enamel emblems are *reasonably good*, leave them alone </span>-- there are no guarantees they'll be "show ready" when you get them back.******************************Dear Mr. Bozarth,I am very sorry that the emblems did not satisfy you. It is a very difficult jobrestoring emblems like these, and every emblem presents its own problems anddifficulties. After 15 yrs. of experience working on a system to restore this typeof emblem, it's regrettable that there are still times when we don't get the resultswe hoped for. Obviously we want to return an emblem to our customer that is likenew. But with so many variables coming into play with each restoration, it is notunlike walking a tight rope without a net. You can be sure that in all cases we do whatever is most likely to yield the mostpleasing results. We never try to short change the customer by skimping orshortcuts. In the case of your badges, while viewing the emblems in the rough, (as we got them)the small dent was completely missed. Usually we have a metal straightening chargewhen we have metal repair like that. I did notice the slight dent however once Ihad the new enamel in. But by that time it was too late to do anything about it. The small internal cracks you mentioned gave me no end of grief. In the process offiring the badges with the enamel, cracks naturally occur, (especially intranslucent red) and if all goes well they melt away during the process. If onelets the badge stay too long in the kiln, while trying to eliminate those cracks,the enamel can begin to pull away from the base metal too. I went back and forthwith one of the badges for that reason. (It would look darker from the extra firingsrequired.) Sometimes this can become such a battle, that the ultimate goal is toend up with a usable badge, and compromise by allowing a crack or two to remain. That, unfortunately, is what I had to do with your badges. So it is an unpleasant fact of this business, that the badges that I spend the mosttime with and test my craftsmanship to its utmost with, are also the ones that yieldthe least satisfactory results.For all of these reasons, and more besides, I am unable to provide any kind ofguarantee with respect to the outcome of the emblems. Nevertheless, I value all ofthe feedback that I receive from my customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no more Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 WELL...........LETS SEE THEM....WHY TELL US?? A PIC TELLS THE STORY..POST ON THIS PAGE AND I BET SOMEONE HAS NICE NEW ONES IN THE BASEMENT....SELL THE CRAP ON THE " BAY"JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no more Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 C'MON WHO IS THE VENDER..????..POWER IN NUMBERS....IF "THEY " WANT BUSINESS THEY MAY TRY A LITTLE HARDER.MAYBE SAVE SOME OTHER POOR SOB FROM SENDING RARE PARTS AWAY TO BE RUINEDJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBoz Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) I'll get my camera out and try to take some pics, though it's sometimes hard to get close-up stuff to show up. After reading his message, I do think he tried his best, but nevertheless it's a disappointment. I *am* going to contact him about the dented emblem -- "missing" this isn't my fault. Edited April 26, 2015 by MCHinson Vendor name removed to comply with forum rules. (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBoz Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Ok, pic for you JB. I'm a lousy photographer, but hopefully you can see how whacked up the edge is and the cracks in the enamel. It may seem picky, but emblems are one of those things that draw in the eye, so flaws here are magnified. The other emblem has one very visible crack in the enamel; it will probably have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DavidHitchinson Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 There is a place in Australia way expensive but worth it if you need contact info let me know. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Phil Knapp Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Hey Cecil,Take a look at ebay item number: 330159348097. It's listed as: "NOS 38 39 Lincoln Zephyr hood V12 emblem V-12 flathead", but it is *NOT* a 38 or 39 emblem. Check out the photo of the back of the item. It looks to me like a 37 because there are no indentations on the back for the stainless trim strips on 38 and 39 Zephyrs. Besides, the 38 emblem has a much wider border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Cullen Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 That's a 37 for sure, Looks NOS too, the threads on the mount studs are really clean and straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no more Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 D'OHHHHHbuy the nos, sell the redo on ebay..all is well!jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBoz Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 Nice thought, zeffer1940, but ebay always has a feeding frenzy over NOS stuff. I sent a message to the seller noting it was *only* correct for '37s hoping that would chase some folks off, but doesn't look like it's working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry butcher Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 CBoz, About 2002 or 2003, I had both of the hood emblems redone on my '38LZ conv .coupe. The person who did them was Karla Mya Maxwell. Her website is:www.MaxwellEnamels.com I saw her ad in "Restoration Supply Company" catalog. I just set up website, is still current. I was totally pleased with the work. I have shownthe car at may shows and temperature ranges--- no problem, Beautiful! Not cheap , but who said this car restoration was cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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