National? No pic yet, but...

can anyone tell me more about an automobile called a National? No, not Nash, this is well, I'm guessing at the year right now too, but probably 1920's anyway, and named a National. It's a touring car. Was this it's own company? Was this produced by someone else, and dubbed a National? I can't find anything on the net, of course using "National" as a keyword, even associated with auto, automaker, etc, turns up all kinds of unrelated hits.

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<span style="font-style: italic">The American Car ince 1775</span> lists eight different car companies using the brand "National", including one who's full name was "Nationa Road Car". Of those, only one lasted more than a year or 2 and/or beyond 1906.

That car was made by the <span style="font-style: italic">National Motor Car & Vehicle Co.</span> of Indianapolis. They built electric cars from 1900 to 1905, and gasoline cars from 1904 until 1924. In the last 2 years of it's life the company merges with Dixie Flyer and Jackson to form <span style="font-style: italic">Associated Motors</span>.

<span style="font-style: italic">The Complete Encyclopedia of Motorcars</span> also lists a British firm (Rose Bros.) making <span style="font-style: italic">National</span> brand cars from 1904 until 1912.

I believe Jim Grundy owns a National. Jim owns one of the large collector-car insurance companies, and his father is one of the original car hobbyists from WAY back. His National is often times featured in their advertising.

There is a restored National on display at the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in Canada.

I have an old college textbook, printed about 1919, that has a photo of a National

V-8 motor. Interestingly enough, the one in Alberta has a V-12! The second one

was from the early 20's. ---Jeff

Found my book: The Gasoline Auto, by Hobbs, Elliot, Consoliver, 1919, Mcgraw-Hill.

They say National used 4's 1912-13, 6's 1914-20 and 12's 1916-19. My mistake--no 8's.

Jeff

My spotters Guide has pictures of the 1920-1024 National Sextet

made in Indianapolis from 1900-1924.

Not real exciting, but I could scan them if someone wants to see one.

One of the note says the L-head 6 and 12 cylinders were replaced in 1920 with an overhead valve 301 cid six.

Here's a nice ad for 1921 National Sextet.

Also a 1921 Sextet is for sale in the Netherlands.

http://www.prewarcar.com/show_prewar_car.asp?car_id=27758

This is a photo of the Grundy 1912 National race car #11 at Harry A. Miller Club Meet on Milwaukee Mile Race track in July, 2003. Stude8

Here's another photo taken of Grundy's National as it was shown at the 2005 Glenmoor Gathering in Akron.

...and another.

I just found an excellent website about National cars. Hundreds of pictures of brochures and ads. Also pictures of other Indiana based manufacturers like Premier and Lexington.

http://www.chuckstoyland.com/national/index.html