paint question

i'm finally ready to paint my 54 century and i'm trying to use the factory color. i'm having no luck finding anyone who has tinting infirmation for

TITIAN RED METALLIC paint code #17. anyone who has any info would be greatly

appreciated. thanks, tim

Tim the 54 Bulletin doesn't have the tinting information but here is what is in the 55 Dupont Bulletin.

&%&*%^*&&%^# I just discovered my scanner isn't working!!!!!!!

oh well,

202-57728-H Titian Red Metallic (Bleeder)

246-0484 Brown

246-0953 (246-0097) White

246-0222 (246-025) Black

202-081 Metallic Base (Course)

Hope this helps.

thanks for the help. tim

Hi Tim, not sure if this is what you want, but my PPG paint formulae book says the following: Buick code 5417 Titian Red Poly PPG code 70500. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I believe that you will find a match to the color. it may be called something else. e.g my 54 malibu blue crosses over to Vista Blue in PPG charts. Talk to a good body shop guy with the "old" books. I would also suggest that you talk to an old guy and not a "youngster" with regard to correct crossovers.

One of the problems is that even if you have the correct old formula the listed pigments may no longer be available. That happened with the last three of my jobs. I use DuPont and my jobber was able to talk directly with DuPont and come up with a cross over. If you are trying to match an existing paint job with just a panel or two, forget it. It's also doubtful you will end up with the exact factory shade, but something acceptably close. At the Buick Nats at Batavia there were 4 cars painted Cherokee Red. No two of them matched....Bob.

I went into www.ppgcarpaint.com and found the listing for "TITAN RED POLY" (I'm glad I did as I was envisioning another "LaCrosse situation" with the titian red nomelclature). "Poly" means "metallic" in paint catalog terminology. I could not pull up a color chart for that 1954 vehicle, though, but I have for some 1970s vehicles.

IF you can find somebody that has the old color chip books, they can possibly use that chip to get the basic color to use to mix a "hand match" or "close match" from their existing paint supply mixing stocks, then putting the correct amount of "poly" metallic particles in it. You can probably get it mixed in what they now call "single stage" (as the older acrylic enamels and lacquers would now be called) rather than the "multi-" or "two-stage" basecoat/clearcoat paint systems now in use at the OEM level. If the orig paint chip is still accurate, some paint supplies can do a computerized spectrograph check to build the basic paint formula from scratch. Then they can mix you a pint or quart to see how it works, and then go from there.

IF there's some paint on an interior panel or such, you might use it for a "match" item, but it could still have some sun fade/deterioration in it, unless it might be located inside the luggage compartment or similar (where the UV rays of the sun would not regularly shine on it).

I suspect that in this type of paint match, it would be much better to try to do something with a local, competent paint supplier/mixer than to try to do it by mail order (who will custom mix it anyway, but possibly by a formula, which could also be flawed for one reason or another). I also suspect the local mixer could do you a quart mix rather than have to get the desired color first before getting deeper into the situation. Also having a body shop painter that will assist in the color match process (and spray the color at the SAME air pressure each time or experiment with it to get the correct metallic dispersion and resulting color on the car). With a metallic paint, the appearance of the color itself can be varied with the variance of the air pressure at the spray gun due to the way the metallic pigments lay out or orientent themselves in the base color . . . all with the same exact base color formula.

Just some thoughts,

NTX5467

Tim, I have several paint chip books and the colors on each are different shades. The one that I would trust most is a "Buick Colors for '54" booklet that is about 3x5 inches and came in the Buick Showroom Book. It matches Buttercups original paint Condor Yellow to the T. I can loan it to you if you can't find anything else satisfactory for use in matching or for having it computer matched.

i found exactly what was decribed. the old tints don't cross to anything new. i don't have a sample that i can trust. i have two color chip pages and they are different. the car was repainted before i got it to some terrible red. i tried a good ppg dealer but he could not cross it. i've been to two dupont dealers who said they went to the factory reps with no luck.

if you would lend me the good color chip Mr Earl i they could take a picture of it and give me a paint code. tim

i'm going to get a sample of PPG 70500 and see how it looks. thanks everyone for the input

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so do you still need this

sorry about the fuzzy picture

Thanks for those scans and the "Titian Red" color name. Looks like a very nice color, too!

NTX5467

Actually Willis, the color is a much deeper burgandy than this picture depicts. Must be the flash. It is a nice color.

yes, i would like to borrow the book or the card so i have somthing to compare to. tim wilson , 733 shunpike rd , cape may nj 08204

Tim, you should be receiving it Monday, you will need to sign for it as I insured it. I am sure you will take good care of it. Keep it as long as you need it but please return by either certified or insured mail, 10-4.

When are you scheduled to have it painted. Please post pictures!!! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

thank you very much. i will get it back to you in one piece as soon as possible. i'm looking forward to putting the body back on the car for thr last time. tim

Lamar, i got paint on the bottom of the car. the color looks great, it's very close to the chip. i'll try to attach a picture. tim

Tim, Got the paint chips back in the mail today. ALONG with the 3 lb box of FRALINGERS Original Salt Water Taffy from Atlantic City. What a surprise!!! I love taffy but have never had this, only heard of it. Thank you so much!!!! but you shouldn't have........

Hope the rest of the paint job is coming out great. Can't wait to see it complete.

Tim, that color looks fantastic! That should be one outstandingly beautiful Buick when finished (of course, they're all beautiful)!

Enjoy!

NTX5467

Lamar, i got paint on the bottom of the car. the color looks great, it's very close to the chip. i'll try to attach a picture. tim

Hi, I have a 1955 buick that is also Titian red poly and the 70500 # is out of the system with PPG. Well atleast that is what my local store tells me. They called PPG and the substitutes were very different. Have you had a profit system picture taken of this color? thanks for any help!