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Some people don't seem to be able to read. Or are to cheap to pay for FIRST CLASS MAIL for the WPC Club Magazine, the WPC NEWS. Not to mention all the people that don't even care to pay their dues IN TIME! Then they blame the club for not getting the info in time, or not at all ! Personally, I do not find these people very serious. And my personal experience is that the same people never contribute anything to the club, or to other members for that matter. THE MEMBERS MAKE THE CLUB. And I would belive that goes for any club.

If you don't get the WPC NEWS in time, blame the U.S. Postal Service, NOT the club.

Now, if you can read, and if you can afford to pay for proper mailing, you will see that it is all there in the January 2006 (Volume 37 Number 5) issue of the WPC NEWS on almost half of page 25, the announcement of the 2006 MEET. On page 28 of the same issue under CALENDAR OF CHRYSLER EVENTS you will see an announcement for the 2006 meet as well as the 2007 meet. And if you haven*t given up your membership after less than a year, because you, among 5-6000 members, couldn't have everything your way, you would know that the WPC NATIONAL MEETS are always held in the month of JULY evey year!!!

Now I have been a member of this club for more than 30 years, and have nothing to complain about the club. But I sure do when it comes to some of the members, after having been robbed of both the cars I have bought from them, and the mony I paid for them. I just wanted you guys out there to know in case someone scare you from becoming a member of this very fine club.

37th WPC Club Annual NATIONAL MEET, Williamsburg, Virginia, July 11-15, 2006.

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OH MAN! That's why we have the magazine. DIG? Don't you read it at all? Or do you expect the club officers to inform each and every one of the 5-6000 members over the internet? I am sure they have nothing else to do besides taking care of club business, setting up and printing the magazine and job and family.

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Any serious antique car collector owning a Chrysler Corporation automobile should join the WPC Club with some 5-6000 members in more than 20 countries all oer the world. And in Europe the club has a good and large REGION in Sweden, and we try to establish new regions in England and Germany where the club also have several members at the moment. The club also has a European Membership Coordinator that can be contacted at e-mail: theadventurerof_47@hotmail.com for questions about the club. As well as help for parts, technical info. et.cetra if you become a member. IMPERIAL, CHRYSLER, DESOTO, DODGE, PLYMOUTH, FARGO Chalmers/Maxwell and related automobiles.

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Why are the Meets so expensive anymore i don't need a 5 star hotel to stay

in and meet at.Out of all the Clubs i belong to W.P.C. has gone to far,for a family to spend a week at the Meet would cost me $1000.00 or more no wonder the meets are getting smaller

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Agreed...$139/night is hardly what I call a discounted rate....went to a NDC meet last year and the WHOLE meet...including all events was less then the Hotel stay in Williamsburg....too bad...I really wanted to attend

BvR

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I see ted sweet is back with his negative comments again.Is there ANYTHING posetive ever, in your life ted sweet? Have you ever heard about constructive critics? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Which simply means that if you criticise something,(or somebody) you should come up with a constructive idea or proposal to change whatever you feel is wrong! If your idea or proposal don't make it through it probabely means that the majorety do not agree with you! Like I have written before, most of the people that complain don't move a finger to make a change. This goes for our hobby as well as politics and most other things. i.e. President elctions. I hope your negative replys will be deleted this time, as they did before. Your critisism affect people that from my point of view do the best they can, a great job, without a single penny in return. While others just ask what they can suck out of the club (and society generaly as well) without putting anything in, exept a few dollars that is hardly enough to pay for the 12 club magazines and its mailing costs. Einar.

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Hello HEMI.

Who says you have to stay at the host hotel. Even I, living in Europe, know there are a lot of good hotels and motels in the U.S. for around $ 45,00 to $ 60,00 a night. I am sure if you really wanted to go, you could find a motel at a reasonable price in the nearby surroundings. I did. Try that next time. Einar. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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And to BaronvonR:

As I replied to HEMI, no need to stay at the host hotel if you find it to expensive. And of course most people would agree $ 139,00 is not cheap. Whatever the discount is, is a hotel matter not something the club can do anything about.

Now, when that is said, I must also say that MONY as well as TIME, is ALWAYS a matter of PRIORETY. Some peole spend anywhere from $ 8000,00 to $ 15.000,00 <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />just for a project car, plus all the mony they spend on restoring it! And today it is not unusual to spend 200K for a Chrysler 300 letter car, and a Cuda (or was it Challenger) was recently sold for 2,1 million dollars <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />. And people are often asking 5 to 8 grand for an old 4 door sedan that is nothing but rust and bondo. The HOBBY IN GENERAL gentlemen, have become far to expensive!!! Some times I feel there are very few genuine hobbyists left, just a bunch of greedy businesspeople that want to make big bucks on the the hobbyist. And what do the genuine hobbyists like us (because you are doing this for the genuine interest of the hobby, are you not?) do about it ? Well, most people just pay the cash, and help turn the prices up. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, priorety: When some of us all the way over here in Norway and Sweden can afford to go to meets in the U.S.A., it's hard for us to understand that you Americans can't afford it in your own country <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> And most of us are just regular hard working family people. Me for instance, single parent for 9 years, living off a disabilety pension. I have even brought my daughter with me several times. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> PRIORETY Gentlemen, PRIORETY. Best Regards, Einar. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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It's not just the Hotel,$50.00 bucks for a Chicken dinner come on.I belong to several other Clubs and they do nothing like this.I can afford this meet but i choose not to go because of the cost if less people go maybe they will make some changes in the future.We talk about getting younger people in the Club i know they can't afford it,and raise a family.

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So, here we go HEMI, if you can get a 2 day pass for 29 bucks I am sure you can find a chicken dinner for less then 50 bucks too.

And in case you didn't get my point: Paying thousands and thousands of dollars for an old car, but not being able to afford a meet sound funky to me. Perhaps it would be better to do something about the crazy prices of old cars before picking on clubs for meet expenses. But I guess EVERYBODY wants to make big bucks <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> even people that do not have club meets as a priorety.(in my country that is called double standard) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I personally mainly go to see beautyful cars and meet wonderful people. Not to stay in expensive hotels and eat expensive food. In other words, again, whatever PRIORETY one might have. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Einar.

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Well, I live in Virginia, so Williamsburg is about a 3 hour dive for me. I do know that hotels, motels and even camp grounds in that part of the state (Tidewater, virginia) are getting more and more expensive. I hope to be able to go. I will be looking for an inexpensive hotel if I do!

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Sounds very discouraging to a new chrysler owner. My car should be ready to make the trip and I will probably stay overnite somewhere. Does anyone know if tents are allowed on the grounds? Thanks

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Hello bp3.

I'd just like to tell you that if you listen to discouraging people, your own life will be discouraging. Just like if you listen to miserable people, your life will be miserable. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> A woman once told me some real truth: If you don't run your own life, someone else will. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I am sure, if you really want to go to the meet, you will find an affordable place to stay as well as to eat. Just a hint, and nothing else. GOOD LUCK! Einar.

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Well, ted sweet, I see you still haven't learned to read. I never told you or anyone else how to spend your mony. I just told you how I, and a lot of others do. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Now, I have gone through all the posts on 2 of the pages on this forum, and out of ALL the replies you have made, I can't fine one single posetive reply. I cannot understand what people like you are doing on forums like this exept for discouraging people. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> So from my side, any discussion with you or reply to your negative replies have come to an end! Einar.

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surely the meet won't be in the hotel parking lot. I'm sure the host hotel is just nearest to the actual site of the show. I know I can't stay the 11th-15th, but hopefully i can arrive Fri. and stay til Sat.nite or Sunday depending on events.

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Several changes have been made regarding our National Meet in Williamsburg in july.

FIRST, the Marriott has changed its reservation number, the new number is 800-442-3654, be sure to mention the WPC Club for our special rates.

SECOND, we have added some rooms at the hotel on Sunday July 9 and Monday July 10 for those wishing to arrive early, or driving down directly from the Carlisle All Mopar Nationals, July 7-9 in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

THIRD, we will be having an out of trunk Swap Meet on Friday afternoon at the Marriott, after we get back from our tour. So bring those spare parts you don't need and maybe you can go home with that elusive part to finish up the old Mopar in the garage. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whats the point of the wpc website, none of the info is current. </div></div>

NOT CURRENT ? It is updated by myself on a monthly basis and always has the current presiden't message and anything else pertinent. Because of the amount of time it takes to format the club roster for the web, it is only updated once per year, each May. Perhaps you would like the job. I personally spend 20 - 30 hours each month on answering club e-mail and web site updates.

Ian Smale, web site editor WPC Club INC.

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I just felt I had to add some more to this. Einar, thanks for all the comments you have made in reply to these negative posts so far.

Firstly, as WPC members DO NOT criticize the club executive like this unless you are willing to step in yourselves and change something you don't like, or percieve not to like. I have been a member of this club since 1979 and have NEVER criticized any of the present or past executive. It just would not be right. They all serve the club, giving of their own valuable time for NOTHING in return except the enjoyment of the hobby. If you don't like it then either run for a position or ......

Secondly, the Old Car hobby is an expensive hobby.

If you think that $330.00 for the national Meet Venues is too much then perhaps you are in the wrong hobby, and maybe should take up checkers at the local rec centre. I just can't figure this one out at all. $330.00 lousy dollars for the venues, and the excitement of nearly a week of fun and fellowship with fellow club members and a chance to see a whole lot of Beautiful Mopars, and maybe part of the landscape you have never been to before. Really guys, this is just beyond my comprehension. GET WITH THE PROGRAM, PLEASE !!! Since I have been a member, the costs of things have only gone up relative to everything else.

Thirdly, The Club Web Site:

If the one who criticised it thinks its not up to date then perhaps he might want to spend a couple of months as the web site editor. Here is what this editor puts into it on a monthly basis:

Approximately 20 - 30 hours each month performing the following tasks:

Answering 150-200 legitimate club e-mail enquiries, and trying to encourage people to join. Plus the same amount of spam that has to be filtered through and deleted. Plus each month I update the web site with the presidential message, and there is always a current copy of the front cover of the WPC News. Also the section on members cars is constantly being changed as new ones are added and some old ones removed. These come in via e-mail on a regular basis. I have not seen any from the one who complained about the web site not being up to date. I also download new member information from all those who have joined via the secure server through our web site. All this information is forwarded to Dick Bowman, and each one who joins gets a personal e-mail from me.

As for the club roster which you can download from the web site - I know it's as of May 2005, but it takes a great deal of time to format it for the web site, so it gets done once per year.

The club web site is there firstly to attract people to the club as new members and I think it does a fairly good job of that. It attracts 8000 - 10,000 visitors each month - not a huge amount but certainly worth the effort of having it there.

Your web site editor does all of this plus try to balance time with his family ( 3 kids at home ) and also run a business. Without any complaints I might add. AND his wife is a saint, literally. So, to the one on this forum who complained about it not being current, if you would like to take it over any time please let your web site editor know ASAP .

Ian Smale,

WPC Club, web site administrator.

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Well, Ian.

Don't we all know, those of us that have been into club business for a while, that there is not much appreciation to get. But that is not really why we do all this work for nothing, is it? For the appreciation I mean. We do all this simply because we like it, and enjoy it. And after all, there are at least some nice people out there. And like I always say, one nice person make up for 10 bad ones. So keep up the god work Ian, and here are a person that after more than 30 years of memberhip still appreciate what you and Dick and the rest of the guys in the club are doing. And a special thanks to David G. Briant for all his fantastic articles in the WPC NEWS. I very often think that if just one tenth of our membership sendt in just one article a year to our club magazine, what a magazine we would have. And if the members some times asked themselfs: What can I do for the club and the other members? Instead of allways asking what can I get from them? Then I think our club would be even greater.

Anyway, we have a sying here: "NO USE IN TALKING TO DEAF EARS". <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> Einar. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Ian,

I've dealt with you in the past and had a major hand in planning and running the "Hooray for Hollywood" national meet last year. It's a tough (and expensive) proposition to put on a successful meet. I appreciate all that you and the other people do to help make the WPC such a pleasure to be a part of.

I will be bringing my car to Carlisle and Williamsburg from California and look forward to seeing all those friendly faces and personalities that are associated with our club.

Don't let a few sour grapes spoil any attitudes. There are many of us who are in your corner.

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Ken,

Thanks for the encouragement. We were all set to come down to Burbank last summer for the National meet, as we have not been to one since 1998 in Portland. We were going to take a family trip to Disneyland and all the usual L.A. attractions at the same time, However it did not work out as there were too many other things on here in July - kids at camp etc. So we actually got down to LA in October and did Disneyland and all the other attractions. BUT really missed not getting to the National Meet. Unfortunately Williamsburg is out for us this year, we will have to wait until something comes to the west again. The Puget Sound WPC Region is putting on a Regional Meet in August which we will be attending - its so close to home - just a jump across the water from us on Vancouver Island. Speaking of which, we put on the National Meet here on the Island back in 1995 - it was a great time for us, and for all who attended, and was the first and only National so far in Canada.

Ian

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INFO ON TIME FOR MAIL DELIVERY performed by the U.S. Postal Service:

They say to allow up to 2 WEEKS!!! for AIR MAIL delivery to Europe. Can you belive it? There are dozens of airplanes leaving for Europe every day from the U.S.A. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I have been told from people in the Detroit MI area that it can take as much as 10 DAYS!!! to get mail within a 160 miles range from Detroit, delivered by the U.S. Postal Service. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

What a progress since the wild west and the dilligence time. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In Norway we have a government law that demand the Norwegian Postal Service to deliver first class mail in the addressee's mailbox THE NEXT DAY after it was stamped at the post office. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

So, perhaps people should complain about the U.S. Postal Service instead of their club, if they feel the club magazine and such are coming late. Einar. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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This might be a few months past all of "the anger", but here's some comments of MINE in regards to national meets (I've been deeply involved in two Buick Club of America national meets, as in "host chapter operative and such", plus a good number of BCA regional and local meets PLUS about 15 years worth of local meets of the North Loop Dodge Performance Team/Cowtown Mopars club (judging, planning, etc.).

I'm not sure why such anger in this thread here! It seems that something has been lingering below the surface for a good while, which probably SHOULD have been addressed at the General Membership meetings at a WPC National Meet SOMEWHERE!

Now, let me state that as good as any single-marque national club might be, EACH club's membership has their own orientations of how they might like their yearly national meets (or quarterly or bi-annual or whatever) to be. Each group has their own "target" hotel/accomodation desires and price range. Each meet will, due to general custom, have a designated host hotel for the meet. This will be the focal point of the entire meet also. It will most probably be a nicer hotel and appropriately more expensive than other surrounding hotels/motels. This is a normal situation--period.

Why stay at the host hotel? Other than convenience of being at the pulse/center of the meet activities, many hotels desire AND request a certain number of room-nights be purchased before they'll start pitching in "free" amenities for the meet (i.e., hospitality areas, free rooms for hospitality use by the members) AND also possibly less cost for other functions of the meet (registration areas and tables, banquet items, etc.). SO, there are justified reasons to advocate members stay at the host hotel. IF the requested number of room-nights is not purchased, then the club could possibly have to spend other money from the meet (or the corporate treasury!) to make up the difference.

Prices of tours and banquet meals? These are profit centers of the meet just as registration charges are. If you're in business, you don't want to lose money and neither should the WPC in doing a national meet. Sure, you might go out and purchase a tour package from a vendor (as an individual) and go on the same tours as individuals, which would make you just another tourist rather than a part of the WPC group of friends. Many tours also request that a certain number of people go on each tour so they can plan for the correct number of busses and such. Many of these tours do NOT give discounts to groups, or what they do discount is not that great. IF you can buy a package deal from another source, if you don't go on ALL of the tours purchased, have you spent more than if you had bought the tour through the WPC meet? Your money, your judgment call.

Sure, there will be alternative lodging in a reasonably close proximity to the national meet host hotel, BUT is it really any less expensive? Might you have the same guarantees that it'll be "suitable"? Might you end up in a flaky neighborhood and not know it? Many factors to consider! I know, I did a thorough search of the Burbank area and was later told by an associate that lived in Woodland Hills that some of my choices were not too good. I ended up not being able to go anyway, but I did do a good bit of research on that area.

In some areas, EVERYTHING is reasonably expensive, but they can also tend to be noted tourist attractions rather than somewhere away from things. We found that out in trying to get alternative bids for the two Buick meets. Some places would work with us (one even was going to give us the WHOLE hotel from Wednesday to Sunday!) whereas others knew what they had and where they were and did not desire to bargain or negotiate.

I, like many others, am not made of money or have large amounts of disposable income. I'd much rather find a good $65.00/night motel than spend twice that on a fancy hotel room that serves the same purpose--if I can. But again, scouting these things out is important. Not to mention the fact that at the host hotel, you're "already there" for any of the meet activities rather than having to drive a while AND pay of parking (in some cases). You have to consider the total package costs rather than just one aspect of it all!

Now, for some things regarding the Mopar hobby in general. The WPC is a "general-orientation ALL Chrysler Product" club, just as the Buick Club of America or other single-marque clubs might be. It might NOT be the correct club for some Mopar enthusiasts, to be sure, but it CAN be for many other Chrysler-oriented enthusiats. It all depends upon what you desire from the group and what your vehicular orientation might be. IF somebody wants to learn about the Total World of Chrysler, then the WPC is a great place to start! But if your tastes and orientations might be more closely focused on a particular niche of the Chryselr World, then other clubs might better meet your needs.

Even if you might not ever attend a WPC National Meet or any other related event, the club magazine is a GREAT resource for learning about many individual Chrysler products AND what made them the great vehicles they were/are. If you went out and got all of that information, you'd have a whole room full of books and have spent large sums of money to get them--period. It might not be a flashy magazine, but it has great CONTENT that makes up for that. Rather than say "There's nothing in there to interest me", why not take the time to read through the articles about cars that might not interest you and learn something? Plus get a much great appreciation of the cars and the people that put them on the road!!!!

Unfortunately, not everyone is oriented toward those additional learning situations. In that case, a more closely-focused club in the area of their specific desires might be a better place for them to be. The Mopar hobby is full of these niche clubs, all which have a place in the total world of the Mopar hobby.

By observation, NO car club is prefect for everybody. If you're deeply into Chrysler products in general, the WPC is a great place to be. If you might be more focused on some other Chrysler models or particular model years of body platforms or particular vehicular activities with those vehicles, then you can probably find something to your liking too. It's all out there!

The AACA is a great organization, also, but that doesn't mean it's the best thing around for all automotive enthusiasts. By observation, the AACA (like other automotive hobby clubs) is having an "age of membership" issue in getting more younger members involved in the club. I've seen the local AACA regional newsletter and it appears that the bulk of its members are "retirement" age, with all due respect.

KEY thing is to find a car club (locally, regionally, nationally, and/or internationally) that is a group of people that you can enjoy being around and also be somewhat active with. Even if you join the WPC for the club magazine, THAT's a great investment.

As far as the national meets go, I know that Ken Angyal has done much legwork in the past and will continue to do so in the future (on WPC National Meets). Just because you might not like where the meet is one year, it might be somewhere you want to go in a future year. As always, CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT on future meet locations is good. Remember, too, these meets are planned at least two years in advance for many reasons, so don't say "Let's go _______ next year" when next year and the year after that is already contracted and announced.

Cost of WPC National Meets . . . in looking at the Burbank meet (which I could not attend), it might appear that the meets are planned as a week of vacation for many attendees. This might be good, but some people can't afford to be gone that long or afford to stay in hotels for that long of a time. So, you pick and choose when you want to arrive and possibly choose a later arrival than for when meet registration opens for the first time on Tuesday. Just because there might be things to do on Tuesday or Wednesday does not mean you have to be there to do them if what you're really coming for is on Friday or the Saturday show. Use your own best judgment on these issues. If you might miss a tour on Wednesday, you might be able to make it up on your own later in the week. Your money, your time, your judgment call!

I hope this might 'splain some things and clear up some others. Hollering and being bitter toward fellow club members (even if you might not be good friends) really serves NO good purpose.

Remember, too, that all operatives of this and other similar groups work on a VOLUNTEER or "drafted" or "whose got the biggest lap" system. That means, "no pay". This can mean that webpages only get updated when they need to be updated or possibly on a monthly basis. That might not be soon enough for some, but it's a whole lot better than some car club websites I've been to where their Calendar of Events is two years old. I can tell you, member contributions to help ease some of these burdens is typically welcomed (provided the person has sufficient expertise in what they will try to do).

It's SPRING!!! It's time to get out and drive the Chryslers!!! Time to enjoy things!!! Be happy!!!!

Just some thoughts,

NTX5467

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I've been a member since '97 and have not been able to attended a meet yet. How many members generally attend a national meet? I also want to add that the complexity of organizing any large event is staggering and I feel it is unfair to complain about what has been done at this point in the process. If there are issues, then it is a discussion for the planning of next years meet. Williamsburg sounds great and I'm going to try to attend.

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I'm glad everyone is friends again. I just wanted to enter my car in the show. Is pre-registration required and do you have to be a WPC member or AACA member to show your car? How do you know which club to join if you've never been to club function? I attend local car shows, most put on by local fire dept., churches, etc. but this will be my first national, with the exception of attending an AACA regional show just to look at cars. Thanks

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad everyone is friends again. I just wanted to enter my car in the show. Is pre-registration required and do you have to be a WPC member or AACA member to show your car? How do you know which club to join if you've never been to club function? I attend local car shows, most put on by local fire dept., churches, etc. but this will be my first national, with the exception of attending an AACA regional show just to look at cars. Thanks </div></div>

Pre registration is required ( reg form is in the WPC News Magazine ) and you must be a WPC member to participate. I would encourage you to join the WPC if you are not a member, and are interested in Chrysler products.

Best Regards,

Ian

member since who knows when .... 1970 something.

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