MGreggSmith Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Can someone tell me how to obtain identifying information on the Locomobile with factory # 6045? It might be a Model Forty-Four 'Rambler.'A 1911 photo of the vehicle is attached. Gregg Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob McAnlis Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 The car in the attachment is a 1909 to 1912 Locomobile Model 30. However, the serial number (if that is what the #6045 indicates) is for a 1913 Locomobile Model 38 R-2. The car in the picture is not a 13 Model 38 R-2.Bob McAnlis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Welcome to the AACA Forum, thanks for posting the Loco photo. Over 30 years ago you could buy Locomobile factory glass plate negatives at flea markets here in Connecticut. Wish I'd bought more! This photo was taken in Seaside Park in Bridgeport, maybe a mile from the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 improved photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 Thank you so much for the reply to my post. The photo I posted is of George W. Massamore, a saloon keeper and stage driver (he probably picked up a bit more money carrying the mail), on the main street of Greenhorn City, Oregon, a little mountain town that served the gold mines in the area from roughly 1890 to 1920 when the mines pretty much petered-out. The back of the photo had said "Geo. Massamore bucking snow. 1911" in pencil.The license on the car reads 'ORE "3562" 1912'. I have been through the State of Oregon auto registration records and found the car registered first on August 21, 1911. It said that it was a Locomobile touring car, factory #6045, with a 25.6 hp gasoline engine. The 1912 registration had no identifying information other than the license number - and the owner. The 1913 registration again stated that it was a Locomobile - #6045. I didn't look beyond 1913.So, the car may have been a 1911 model - or earlier. I'm hoping that I can find the Locomobile production records for car #6045 at the Benson Ford Research Library at the Henry Ford Museum. They supposedly have the Locomobile records. I have a request into them at present...so we'll see.I will try to attached a 1909 Locomobile ad that shows the Model Forty-Four, "Rambler," which looks quite similar to Mr. Massamore's vehicle. Thanks again for your assistance.Gregg SmithKeizer OR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Hello,I agree with John, this automobile is a 1909 or 1910 Locomobile Type "L" Model 30 Locomobile. The 1911 and 12's would have a bit different rear fender, one with skirts where the photo car does not have skirts on the rear fenders. The 11 and 12 would also likely use Solar combo. electric/oil side lamps not the Gray and Davis in the pictures. I have some numbers, this evening I will scout around and see what "6045" tells me.Regards from the West,Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Alan,I hope you are still out there.You wrote below about the image I first posted above:> I agree with John, this automobile is a 1909 or 1910 Locomobile Type "L" Model 30 > Locomobile. The 1911 and 12's would have a bit different rear fender, one with > skirts where the photo car does not have skirts on the rear fenders. The 11 and 12 > would also likely use Solar combo. electric/oil side lamps not the Gray and Davis > in the pictures. I have come up with a new photo of this vehicle, which I'll attach. The photo was dated August 1917. At the time the vehicle was used as the 'stage' between the railroad stop at Tipton on the Sumpter Valley RR line and the gold mining camp of Greenhorn, seven miles up the hill. The back of the photo says it is a 1907 Locomobile touring car - but that may have been written years later by someone who did not know. I do note that the the image of a 1911 Model 30 from the "Standard Catalogue of American Cars, 1805-1942." shows the same two boxes on the running board as appear in the photo of the 'stage.' The problem is that the catalogue image does not show the pointy front fenders. You also wrote:> I have some numbers, this evening I will scout around and see what "6045" tells me.The State of Oregon vehicle registration information for this car says that it was factory # 6045. If I could ever come up with any Locomobile production records perhaps we could tie this down definitively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Couldn't add the catalogue image on the previous post, so here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Let me try yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 O.K., I think I've figured out how to paste directly onto this page - so you don't have to click on the 'attachment' button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Here is a Locomobile I ran across this past weekend that was in good shape and labeled 1899.http://forums.aaca.org/misc/401102-DSC00304.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Ron, Can that Loco be bought? It has a few very odd features, never seen an early one with wood wheels, wire wheels were standard, that front seat over the front axle is anothe non standard bit, any history on the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Here is another picture of it. It was purchased (I believe) in the late 1920's and has remained in the same family. Unfortunately nothing is for sale in this collection of 200 plus cars with many being 1919 and older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 WOW!!!!!!!! That is a VERY SPECIAL vehicle, I've never seen an early steamer with that bodywork, it mak not be a Loco. Many of the circa 1900 steamers looked a lot alike, I'll dig through my stuff and see if I have any info on that body. Thanks for posting the photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I believe it had Loco on it in 2 places . Here is one that I think is a Jewel? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 How about a 1903 Stanley Steamer. I have never seen one this old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Can't find a Jewel in any of the books. The '03 Stanley is a good looking car, too bad the lighting is so poor in that building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Paulsen Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 The one picture is definately a Jewell. Built in Massilion Ohio. We have one here at McPherson College. Cute little one cylinder, two cycle car.I agree the Loco? is unusual.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO BO Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Is the Stanley for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Chris,Thanks for identifying it as I thought it was a Jewell. Here is another to tempt the taste buds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Here's a great old 08 Maxwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Ron, I love seeing collections like this, guess it is one that was started in the early 1950's or so. Makes one wonder how many others are out there. I got to view one very much like this one years ago, had stuff from the late 1890's, real time warp. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Hello Greg,I scanned through my Locomobile papers and from your number 6045 am able to guess that this car is a late 1912 or released in 1913 as a carry over vehicle. Your number actually overlaps with the Model 38 6 cylinder models. Of course that is assuming that the number given is correct. I liked your second picture of a Model 30 Touring, modified to serve as a stage delivery car. I have the remains of a windshield very similar to the one on the delivery car. I can't tell for sure, but the windshield appears to be a wooden framed variety. A big "year" indicator of the car in your first picture and also the second being touring cars is the "wrap around" front fender style. The toy tonneau and torpedo styles used a more swept back design. Your other pics. tend to make a fellow day dream! Thanks for posting them!Regards,Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 Alan,You wrote: "I scanned through my Locomobile papers and from your number 6045 am able to guess that this car is a late 1912 or released in 1913 as a carry over vehicle."The problem with this is that the vehicle was first registered, so far as I can tell, with the State of Oregon Motor Vehicles Division on August 21, 1911. The records state that the license for 1911 was # 5113. The car was listed as factory production number 6045. In 1912 the vehicle was given license # 3562 ? as is shown in the photograph in the snow I previously sent.The motor vehicles registration notations refer to the vehicle as a "touring" style. However, I note that an ad for the 1911 Locomobile, Model 30, Type L, Torpedo, HAC, has the same two boxes on the driver's side running board as are seen in the August 1917 photo I sent. I will try to reattach both those images. I may have to do it with two posts.So...we're close but still not ready to light the cigar.Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 Alan,Now for the comparative August 1917 photo - showing the same two running board boxes on sees in the Torpedo ad.Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 Alan,And finally here is one more of the same vehicle. It does not have the windshield shown in the 1917 photo. There was also not windshield in the 1911 photo in the snow. So we must assume that George Massamore got enough money together to buy a windshield sometime between 1911 and 1917.Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGreggSmith Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 O.K., that attachment must have been too large. It didn't post. I've resized it lower and will re-try.G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hello Greg,I tried once to send you a private message but it bounced back. I will try again.Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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