E-bay porcelain dealer sign

BOGUS L.Z. DEALER SIGN on E-bay item # 2443567549 This sign is advertised as original, NOT.I have one,YES it is identical to the sign on the auction.I bought it from the sign manufacturer,i think it was 25 or 30 dollars.Just giving my Zephyr buds a heads up,if anybody is interested in these signs i will dig up the info.and post.diz

Hey Dale, I'd be really interested in a repro sign like that if you know where I can get one.

You might also put the seller on notice. He may not know (or want to know), but if you tell him and he goes through with the auction *still* -- hmmmm..

Thanks for the heads-up, Diz. I put that sign on my ebay watch list just to see what it would bring. Pleae post your source, I think a lot of us would like to have one of those signs!

Dale -

I just sent a quick note to the seller, letting him know that there is a question about whether or not it is an original, and giving him the link to this site. He has good feedback, so it's probably fair to assume he simply doesn't realize it.

BTW, do you recall where you got yours, Dale?

Just a quick note... I also got mine on eBay sometime last year.

I know I only $22 for it. "milkman757" is getting taken for sure.

They are not "old stock" as Dale has said. They are quite new, but still worth the $20. Certainly not $70+ in my opinion.

Jim

Hey, I know Milkman 757, in fact I bought my '41 Zephyr from him a few years ago, he is in the LZOC, and a good friend of Merv Adkins, do you think this is enough of a rip-off to warn him?? Or what, he seems like a pretty sharp guy, has some very rare Zephyrs, what do you think?? Rolf

Dear Jim,Please re-read my posts,NOWHERE is NOS mentioned.Could you please post the information in regards to where you bought the sign as i can not find where i bought it.diz

Gentlemen: This is the seller of the procelain sign (2443567549)

Let me start by thanking CBoz and Dale for their help in this matter. I canceled the auction this morning after all the controversy. I restarted latter.

I want to present the facts about this sign.

I purchased it from an authority saying it was original.I have retracted that statement. (I could have been duped)

The rest of the auto items I have listed are from the same dealer.

I have sent scans to people who say it is right. ?

I have heard from people who have said it is wrong. ?

To date I have got nothing conclusive to tell me either.

I have re-listed it as neither, let the informed buyer take their chance.

I cannot find any one currently who sells this item repro.

If any one has concrete information on this one way or the other,(name , maker, address, etc.) please

state it so that we could settle this issue. I will send interested parties to this sight to draw their

own conclusions.

Thank you.

Hi Guys, in an effort to put this porcelain sign issue to rest, and continue with our normal scintilating discussions of matters involving LZ's. My own opinion is that E-Bay is a real buyer beware operation, the horror stories are rampant of colossal rip-off's and great un-happiness, but saying that, I realise some find tremendous bargains there too, so it is in the eye of the beholder for sure, kind of like frequenting a Casino. I Would like to take this opportunity to thank Dee for the head's up on Earle Browne's stock of LZ parts, he seems to have a good stock of hard to find items, Take care everybody, Rolf

Guys, one last thing. Please,this is in no way a threat because we could argue

how dubious the initial posting was. I respect that you guys look out for one another. But in regards to discussing things in public, this is just an FYI. Thanks.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/index_popup.html?policies=transaction-interference.html

Did I hear that right?? We do not want to challenge erroneous advertising because it might limit someone's making a buck??

Please tell me it isn't so, this so called "Political Correctness" that is sweeping the nation these days, I hope is not extending into the car world too, set me straight please, Rolf

Under the EBAY rules MEMBERS:.....MEMBERS.....MEMBERS.......

I believe they are trying to infer EBAY MEMBERS on the EBAY site, using EBAY as a basis of contact thru EBAY membership and email contact to sell outside of EBAY or effect the outcome of a EBAY listing by openly slanderous remarks on the EBAY forum, or otherwise cost EBAY it's fair share.

I do not belive those EBAY rules out weigh the bill of rights, or the constitution. What I/WE discuss in public and or in private is as you so aptly put it not open to threats so believe me no threat was taken, implied or otherwise. If you feel the need to keep your mouth shut while someone takes it in the butt buying an item said to be genuine when you know it is not, that is your privilage, as well as it is to point out the misrepresented item.

EBAY, WALMART, MICROSOFT, all the rest have their rules. We have ours so thank you for not offering a threat towards us.

I suppose DuckeRoot's message was aimed at me because I contacted *both* him and the top bidder.

The reality is that eBay is notoriously bad at protecting buyers' interests and will turn a blind-eye toward the "power sellers" (not the case here, but I've seen it.). Even when eBay gets off its ass to help, it's often too slow to have an effect on a *current* auction, so that's why I sent the messages when I did - before money changed hands and someone became *really* upset.

Dear Cboz,Please tell me if i am understanding this?Duckeroots latest post is telling us not to BAD mouth him on e-bay due to his not doing his homework on his BOGUS item for sale.diz

Dale -

I talked with Duckeroots via e-mail, and again, I think he's an honest guy (see his feedback) who just got caught up in a potentially bad situation. I need to remind myself how I'd feel if I was in his shoes -- I'd probably be more than a little defensive myself

Anyway, no harm and no intended foul, so I'm all for getting back to the Zephyr issue of the day, whatever it is.

Check out this e-bay item for one of these signs. Starting bid is $19.99.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1

I just got one of these signs. It's VERY nice - weighs about 4 pounds. Brand new. The guy seems to have a stock of them.