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1963 Chevy Pickup, started restoration, great condition, runs terrific, possible delivery available. Yellow, new black carpet, am/fm cd stereo, auto.

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Watch out...Indianna...these guys take their use of the "classic" word VERY seriously...keep up with that smart alec question...and you will..find yourself...banished...joining me on the shores of the frozen swamps of eastern Latvia...

Look...the guy wants to sell it...and it has ( or may, at one time have had)...four wheels....That makes it in many people's eyes... a "classic".......

pfh

(perfidious former hunter)........

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First of all, I'm very much a woman. This car is a "Classic" in the book (black, blue, etc.) I consider it to be "Rare" because it's so hard to find one in these parts. However, I have nothing to explain to a bunch of Trailer Park Trash Peon's that have nothing better to do than surf the internet insulting hard working people, instead of trying to get off welfare. Shouldn't you be searching the classifieds for a job? I'm sure you already have enough cars littering your front yards.

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I think what Indiana Truck was trying to was simply what makes it a classic and rare. AACA considers vechiles like Cord, Cunningham, Duesenberg, Pierce Arrow, and LaSalles as classics. All these cars being pre WWII. As for rare, a lot of people over use term. Rare is a car like an Keller,or Brush where there are only a few cars in extistance (under 100). I could use your defination of rare to describe my '63 Chevy II Novas. Other than mine there are only 2 others in the area. do a search on the internet and you will find there are thousands.

As for the "However, I have nothing to explain to a bunch of Trailer Park Trash Peon's that have nothing better to do than surf the internet insulting hard working people, instead of trying to get off welfare. Shouldn't you be searching the classifieds for a job? I'm sure you already have enough cars littering your front yards. " comment. Personally, it was uncalled for. If I was interested in buy your truck, that comment is enough to make me go look for a different one.

By the way, there are 2 1963 Chevrolet Pickups on ebay at the moment. First place I checked.

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Dear Leslie384,Please notice i called you 384 because apparently you are missing something.Why don't you FINISH the RESTORATION,drive it off a cliff,on second thought you jump off the cliff and take that GREAT attitude with you but save the truck for SOMEONE else to RESTORE CORRECTLY.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Leslie385, Please let me be the first to apologize for the misunderstanding between you and some of our forum users. The "for sale rare '63" got my attention too and I was asking the same question myself as I read your post (What makes it rare?)Some of our users here like to pick on each other and I think you unknowingly got mixed up with the crowd. Don't get turned off by this. The majority of us here do appreciate your post. How about posting a picture of your truck! Wayne Burgess

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I think we should start use the small letter rule when using the word 'classic' to whit,

when we are refering to older high interest cars and trucks we can us the word 'classic'.

However when we are refering to the cars and trucks from the periods recognised by the CCCA and AACA as classic, we should use the word 'Classic'. Of course that does not help verbally but it might bring a little less vitriol to the forum. What think you all? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Dear Packardbuff er PH,This keeps up i plan to buy the YELLOW(YIKES)Chevy pick-up and bringing it up to Latvia.We can use it to haul the Naugas back and forth to the TANNING shack.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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R W Burgess, Thank you for the apology. I'm not a car buff, all I really know is what others (around here) have told me. I lashed out because it was wrong of the others to post their replies as such. I was offended by their remarks and retaliated. I know two wrongs don't make a right; however, they could have been men enough to PM me and explain what was wrong with my ad. I had trouble with the restoration because my husband was hit head on by a car while riding his Harley, not long after I bought it. It rendered him totally disabled. I bought the truck for him as a gift and now it just sits in the driveway. My whole life was turned upside down and the last thing I need is someone's unnecessary comments. I apologize for my rude remarks, but I do hope this has opened some eyes on social manners.

I'll see about posting a pic on the site.

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Apology accepted. That's the biggest problem with hy-tech communications. You never know how people will take out of the way comments when you can't look the person in the eye. I'm old school, I guess. Yes, please post the picture and let us know where you live as we have people all over that may be able to help you in the future. Stop back by again, we like new people. Wayne Burgess

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Matt, I agree with the author in that article, but the problem is that sometimes unknowledgable people are "sent" to our web site to learn about old cars, to sell old cars, or just to have fun. And, these people are sometimes shocked by our attitude about things like the word, "Classic". Shocked to the point of not coming back or even spreading the word about those old stuck up antiquers. In other words, I think we need to "loosen" up when dealing with new people who have just found "us". Just my opinion. I'd appreciate feedback. Wayne

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I completely agree with you, Wayne. When I wrote that editorial, I was just thinking about how every used car seems to be a "classic" these days and how even the manufacturers are now referring to features on new cars as "classic:" <span style="font-style: italic">The PT Cruiser's classic styling, the Thunderbird's classic taillights, classic Corvette performance, etc.</span> I'm certainly not advocating some Draconian process by which we must educate the public on the word's proper usage, but I was expressing my frustration that virtually everything is "classic" if it's more than a few years old or even just resembles something old. This particular ad is a good case in point. The poster definitely isn't bad or stupid for doing it; it is simply emblematic of the issue. I don't really care about the proper definition, but like that infamous senator said, "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it."

I also think that the word "classic" is a kind of misrepresentation that is sometimes intentionally misused (though not in this case, I'm sure). Used car dealers will throw it around to lure in the unsuspecting. If you're just starting out in the hobby and you're really green, are you really going to be sucked in because of the '68 Mercury Montego's "classic" status? It's insulting to the consumer (us), too, as if we're easily swayed by such a word being attached to anything with chrome instead of plastic bumpers. Take a look at Ebay sometime and see how many very <span style="font-style: italic">un-</span>classic cars are called "classics." Who do they think they're fooling? <span style="font-style: italic">But honey, the '77 Nova four door sedan is a classic!</span>

Feh on that. I don't care how anyone uses the word, but I am bummed that it gets thrown around so much with so little thought. I guess that comes from being a writer; I just want words to mean something. And as a car enthusiast as well, I think truly special vehicles should not be lumped in with the rest like this. But that's another issue altogether... <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Matt, That "thrown around with so little thought" is the problem with this generation. Having no respect for the present or the past. THAT is why we are here, to educate the people about our hobby and our past. You have to get their attention first, then go along slowly. You can't just hammer them over the head with, "It's not a Classic!" You have to show them the differences between, Classic, classic, and car. Boy, I've gotten deeper in this subject than I should have. Just a fellow hobbiest, Wayne Burgess

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I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion that guys like Burgess are right, and I was wrong (his comments about "hammering" the people who tack the word "classic" onto any used car they are trying to sell).

My mistake was assuming most people connected in some way with the old car hobby ARE reasonably well informed about such things, and know durn well they are "full of it" when they throw the word "classic" at any old car they are trying to "un-load".

On reflection, again, regretabbly, I am coming to the conclusion that people

1) really are that ignorant they havn't a "clue" what the word "classic" means

and, even if they did, they just dont care - this is consistant with the

general decline down thru the years of our education, loss of respect

for precision-in-speech...etc.

2) My "hammering" on them for their throwing the word "classic" at

anything they are trying to "un-load".... is not the way to

keep people interested and here in these forums... where we might

help them learn a little about the various eras of auto technology,

and how it evolved down thru the years. You guys are right..

we cant help people learn if we get em so aggravated we drive

em out of the forum.

Fact is, like it or not, humans ARE "herd" animals...and "monkey see..monkey do". We all know it is getting increasingly difficult to find ANYTHING someone wants to "un-load"...that is NOT parraoted around as "classic". And, you've got to admire the dedication of the guys who run the auctions - they hired lobbyists to go around to the various state's motor vehicle agencies, advocate legislation - I dont think there is a state left in the United States...that hasnt adopted the idea that any old used car is now a "classic"...provided it is more than 10 or 20 years old.

Given the above, ( and I HATE it when I have to admit I was wrong.....!) From now on I will NOT recommend capital punishment for people who toss the word "classic" onto whatever pleases them.

I will be out hunting the Great Arizona Nauga today (we had some shipped over here to the swamps of eastern Latvia ) but I will check in here from time to tome in case there is any discussions that interest me (hint...my priorities are as follows.....1) pretty girl's pert figures

2) ugly girl's pert figures...that is..if they are good

enough to distract from the rest of her..

3) hell.....ANY girl's figure...

4) ice-cold beer

5) thru 174) ANY beer that is reasonably chilled....

175) old cars !

Perfidious...etc...etc

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Wayne, Matt, PH and you all are right. The problem is there are no acceptable, accredited terms to cover cars after 1947 (by the CCCA bylaws), and the Federalinterferingineveryoneslife Government, long may its panties wave, has compounded this, rightly pinnioned on the backs of those happy lobbyists without whom we all would be much happier, by using the term 'classic' to denote anything older than 20 years, give or take. Therefore in Colorado any hunk of junk that runs and is over 20 years old is a 'classic'. So we try symantics, little 'c', big 'C' etc. but it all comes down to what we should call cars that are not accredited as Classic?? Like the public cares...and those that do only want to say the right thing. I have no answers really ... I have tried to suggest things. Anyone else care to try and suggest how we can change the situation? Is it worth trying to change?

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Randall. Absolutely, it's worth trying. I take my youngest boy(14) with me to car functions and shows. He really enjoys it and us old farts love to have him around to help us remember how we used to feel, full of energy. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The thing is you and everyone he sees must educate him about our hobby and our history. I've brought up a suggestion recently that I haven't persued strongly enough yet. When a cruise-in or car function is set up, think about inviting a neighborhood youngster along for the trip. As he gets older let him drive your old car a bit. Watch his eyes light up as he realizes old cars are cool because you can actually feel them operate and run, versus what his family car sounds like. Nothing makes you feel young like a kid. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

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I agree with Wayne ... get the kids out ... most will love it. I just had a 20 year old friend of my son's over to my garage after about 10 years of not seeing him. He spotted my Model A Huckster and proceeded to tell me detail by detail about the time that I invited him to go on a countryside tour with us when he was 5 or 6 years old. Interesting part - I FORGOT all about the trip ... but he sure did not!!

I know that I am going to hate myself for this ... but here is what the American heritage dictionary says about the "C" word:

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

classic

SYLLABICATION: clas·sic

PRONUNCIATION: klsk

ADJECTIVE: 1a. Belonging to the highest rank or class. b. Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture. c. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring. 2a. Adhering or conforming to established standards and principles: a classic piece of research. b. Of a well-known type; typical: a classic mistake. 3. Of or characteristic of the literature, art, and culture of ancient Greece and Rome; classical. 4a. Formal, refined, and restrained in style. b. Simple and harmonious; elegant: the classic cut of a suit; the classic lines of a clipper ship. 5. Having historical or literary associations: classic battlefields of the Civil War.

NOUN: 1. An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance. 2. A work recognized as definitive in its field. 3a. A literary work of ancient Greece or Rome. b. classics The languages and literature of ancient Greece and Rome. Used with the. c. One that is of the highest rank or class: The car was a classic of automotive design. 4. A typical or traditional example. 5. Informal A superior or unusual example of its kind: The reason he gave for being late was a classic. 6. A traditional event, especially a major sporting event that is held annually: a golf classic.

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Just to clear a few things up on my use of the word "Classic". In the state of Kentucky, where I reside, we have to pay property tax annually on all motor vehicles. They always pull out this huge book with the values and clearly marked on the front is "Classics". As I stated before, I'm not into cars, old or otherwise. I just didn't want this truck to go to waste sitting in my driveway when I know there are individuals out there like yourselves who love to restore old cars. I prefer Harleys and live the life of a biker. I'd rather be out on the road than at home working on a project.

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Lesley, We need to know what kind of engine is in the truck, are there any modificatios from stock on the frame, interior, running gear, and what have you. An idea of what you want for it? What part of Kentucky are you from? And the picture is important, too. Sorry about those taxes. Antiques are exempt in Virginia. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

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Yes, our Region found a receptive Senator who sent the bill on it's way after getting through the House of Delegates. It all started over the greedy county I live in trying to raise the property on one of our member's MG's. Our whole club got behind it and other regions in Virginia joined us in the fight. Now, the county gets nothing. We pay a one time fee on the permanent state antique tags, no taxes, and no inspection. I've got a house in Virginia for sale if you're interested? By the way, I've got 5 kids too, but don't tell the wife. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

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Then I happily stand corrected!! My son was converted very young to loving cars. He would watch me wash and patiently wax the car I had whether the paint was perfect or glazed because I felt and feel it is important to do. We went to shows and his Mother started collection antique MGs so he grew up knowing the value of a modern car, an older car, a rare car and a Classic car.

What I was refering to more were the current youth and adults who are interested but not so interested to really do more than look when a show is pitched on the Fourth of July. Still that is a good time to chat with people and let them in on the secret...as well as telling eager local newspaper reporters!

In Colorado we pay registration once for a 5 year period on a Collector Car. It costs about $110 give or take according to the vehicle and a one time/one owner emmission test. On anything older than 1950 they just look at it. Each time you sell it, the new owner will have to have it tested. But that is it. It is quite a deal really and along with the Collector Car Insurance through folks like Hagerty or Grundy, it goes a long way to making the hobby a little more affordable for some. Until, that is, you try and have it FIXED by a licensed shop. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Lesley385

WOW!

I never expected so much to be made of this thread back when I asked what made the Chevy a rare classic. I knew someone would have some comment about the word classic but I was more interested in knowing what made the truck "rare" I know some people have cars and trucks that were low production and since 1963 is a special year to me, I thought maybe this was one of those cases where only 100 or so were made. I know very little about any old Chevys and did not want to start a war on here with my simple question. I am very sorry if I offended anyone since that was not my intent.

I was amazed at the number of replies to this thread when I got home from my much needed vacation in hot and steamy Orlando Fl. ( It rains every day in Fl.)

I would also like to see the truck and wish I had known where it was since I passed right through Ky. both ways and could have seen it in person. I don't need another truck but since I am also a 1963 model I might have considered it for a daily driver.

As for the "Trailer Park" comment that I see, I am going to overlook that one because I would have said something like that or worse myself if I had taken things the wrong way. I do ask the same stupid questions when I am face to face with someone but I guess it looks different in writing.

Don't let anyone in here bother you because these guys are a great bunch when you get to know them. I would expect to be banned from posting here if I were doing this just to start a fight and am happy to see that some people have been banned in the past when they crossed the line. I am no better than anyone else in here and know far less about the word "classic" or "Classic" than most of you. I realy see no difference in the word with or without the capital C.

I have a few 60's Mustangs myself and have heard people call them a classic but I just think of them as an older car. My Indiana Trucks from the 20's are rare because there are very few that were ever built and very few of them are still around today but I don't consider them as "classic". I would almost say they are antique but to me a pre-teens car or truck would come closer to fitting that mold.

If I did say anything or start anything here I hope that you now know I was not doing it to be a smart a** and hope that we can shake hands (so to speak) and put this to rest. We all have made our share of mistakes and the internet just makes them more visible and let us make more of them. Looks like I made one here so please accept my apology.

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If it is an antique, can get a 5 year tag for about $12 in Colorado and NO inspection test. I knew I was going to move within a year or two and wanted to put a regular plate on it and was told that would require an emission test ($15) on a 1932 car!!! Asked what specs it would be tested to and they really didn't have an answere. She guessed 1962. The $12 tag doesn't really limit you that much, the usual. parades, to and from a car show etc. The last one though is "for pleasure use" She guessed they didn't want you driving to work everyday.

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73 Chevy 350 engine, 350 Turbo Transmission, long wheel base, wide bed. The yellow is about the fourth or fifth coat of paint over the original which I believe was blue/green and white??? We purchased new black carpet for the interior and the cd player was mounted under the dash because we were driving it occasionally and didn't want to disturb the original dash. The seat is like new and this truck rides better than my 2003 SUV. The windshield has a small crack and needs replaced, as does the weather stripping around all the windows. This truck has minimal rust everywhere but the bed. Covering that is a new truck liner. The tailgate has some rust and is dented; however, we have one to replace it with. It books for $6500, so I'm looking for the "best offer" or I'll trade for a Harley. We're located in Falmouth, KY which is approx. 50 miles from Cincinnati, OH and Lexington, KY. This really is a great truck and I hate to get rid of it, but I just don't have the time to invest in it.

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Good post RW! I really want to stay out of these discussions but everyone, please remember this is AACA's website. It does allow all of us to have a free exchange of ideas and thoughts but it is important not to chase a current or potential member away. Just looked at this thread and there were over 400 views, 400 possible impressions for people with some interest in our hobby. Let's educate, not insult someone who posts a "technically incorrect" post! Please think about it, we all need to work together in the best interest of AACA. Thanks!!

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Lesley, I appreciate the picture. If I were in the market for a 60's truck I'd call you. The only thing I can say is I think anything over $3000.00 will be a tough sell. But, then if you find the right person, the sky's the limit. I've often heard there are many sellers, but sometimes just one buyer and he's a hard person to find. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Good luck! Wayne

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Hi, Leslie:

You asked for comments...and I like that...shows you are interested in other people's ideas.

Leslie....hopefully..we ALL agree..this is a free country, and no-one should be so presumptious as to tell you what you can say ! It also follows, that WE should be free to comment on YOUR use of words.

Since you seem like a nice, intelligent person, who is sincerely interested in learning....let me give you a few thoughts to ponder, about the use of the word "classic" and "antique".

Around twenty years ago, lobbyists from the big collector-car auctions went around to all the state's motor vehicle bureaus, and were successful in getting these words into legislation, and thus into vehicle codes. Most state's vehicle codes, now call any old used car a "classic" and/or "antique" if it is more than a few years old.

Of course some of us feel this is preposterous nonsence. But..fact is..time is going by, and more and more people couldn't care LESS what these words REALLY mean...they just like the sound of them...it is getting harder and harder to find any product, of any kind, that is for sale, that isnt called "classic".

Now...back in the real world, certain words have ( or, rather...HAD....PRECISE meanings. Now, as we have gone down-hill as a country, with more and more of our technological base going over seas, and thus less need for precision-trained people.....insisting on "precision in speech" seems more and more silly each day. Who needs "precision of speech"...if the typical job for a high school graduate...is " DO YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT"...

Back in the earlier years of the old car hobby, an "antique" car...was a car with ANTIQUE features...typically, a car made before 1918...meaning...no electric lighting..(they had accetyle / carbide gas for headlights) typicaly EXTERNAL CONTRACTING brakes on the rear wheels, "horse and buggy" type bodies....high pressure tires, "T" head motors, all of which pretty much disappeared by END of the "antique" era...and the beginning of the "veteran car" era..starting around 1920.

The word "classic", was unknown in the old car hobby until the early 1950's.... At that time, most people hated old cars, with the hatred focused on the big, powerful arrogant-looking super-luxury cars of the 1920's and 1930's. A club was formed to try and protect the "best of the best"...meaning, the largest and most elegant luxury cars of the ultra-rich, of that era.

In trying to figure out what to call these elegant cars of the super rich of that era.... "engineering exaggerations...magnificently over done" we looked into the language of the upper classes....and found the word "classic"...as being most descriptive. Remember...the word "classic"...traditionally (was originally a GREEK word, and its meaning has not changed down thru the years, until only recently) it meant.."the best of the best", a theory of design that is simple and elegant, in which "form follows function".

So...the Classic Car Club Of America was formed...and we started having events. It was truly amazing to our early members...how quickly we were able to turn public opinion around, and pretty soon...people decided that perhaps those big, elegant "super luxury" cars of the ultra rich, of that era...were worth bothering with. Before you knew it...everyone wanted to call their old car a "classic".

So...there you are...I am sorry you got your feelings hurt by our wise-cracks...you did nothing wrong...EVERYONE is using these words today. True..it is a sad commentary on how far our use of language has fallen..but there it is.

In your own situation, I am sure you used the word "classic" in the modern sense...which simply means you have a used car you want to sell. Don't take offense at our wise-cracks....you did nothing wrong!

Perfidious

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And Mr Hartmann, That is why there is a Classic Car site on the AACA web site. A site where people can be a little picky if they like, although I think the Classic site is getting a little tired of the bickering itself. The lady just wants to sell her truck. I'm sure she doesn't need you to tell her the facts of life. Wayne Burgess

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Hi, Way.e:

Leslie asked for comments. She obviously is an intelligent nice lady who not only needs to sell a used car - she also expressed an interest in learning more about the old car hobby. She did NOT say " I only want comments that agree with me".

But....YOU...Wayne...I am suspcious you know quite a BIT about the old car hobby, and your "post" just reveals your own personal "issues" - can you explain precisely where you thought the above "post" that tried to answer her questions, was in ANY way "argumentative"....?

Let's try a little less "personality conflict", and a little more exchange about what we can learn.

Perfidious

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