What happened to R & R?

Where did the Rants & Raves section go? I know I could not post on there, but it did make for interesting reading.

R&R is now restricted to registered users only.

Peter

Did you correct the problem? Or just make it "good ole boys club?"

Register and find out Anon.

Peter

Peterg. A while back you had it that way and after some discussion decided it was not right to operate a "private club" on the AACA site where registered members could slander or ridicule non registered individuals with the non registered people being denied the opportunity to know what was being said and at least have the option of going to the general section to take issue.

Of course this could merely be the way to FORCE everyone to register. It seems that fairness is not very high on <span style="font-weight: bold">YOUR</span> list of forum objectives. Now you have probably offended a number of AACA members, which must be your objective judging by your current action. It is obviously <span style="font-weight: bold">YOUR</span> forum to be operated as <span style="font-weight: bold">YOU</span> see fit and to hell with fairness.

Maybe <span style="font-weight: bold">THIS</span> is an issue to be brought before the AACA Board of Directors through its Grievance Committee.

Do you care to comment?

JEB

JEB,

There is no restriction to registering, therefore there are no restriction to the R&R forum. Want to see the R&R forum? Great... register.

I encourage you to take it up with the AACA Board of Directors if you feel that registering is to high a price to pay to be able to read the R&R forum.

Peter

JEB,

If some registered user did respond to an unregistered user in an unflattering way what's the difference, they are [color:\\"green\\"]anonymous. I think the reverse of that situation is the more common case.

As a passing comment, I monitor discussion forums on several web sites and regularly post on a couple. I have noticed that the one site where you must be registered to post has never had a thread degenerate into vindictive attacks. That can't be said for this site.

Maybe it is the calibur of people posting on a site that makes the difference. But I don't think so: I think it is because you are more likely to think twice before you click on "submit" if you know your words will be attributed to you. You will be meeting (even if only electronically) with the people you are tempted to flame. And if they know it was you who flamed them it will color the interaction. When you anonymously click send you need not worry about the consequences. That makes a big difference.

Since anyone can register on this discussion forum (not limited to AACA members at all), I don't see what the big deal is. It would be fine with me if registration was required to post any message.

Tod, [color:"green"] Being registered makes people think twice before they start the attacks. You can not make everyone happy. There is not a requirement to join <span style="font-weight: bold">AACA</span> or to <span style="font-weight: bold">pay</span> for the use of the site. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" />

JT. A person can be unregistered without being posted an Anonymous. I am. Now for an example of the point I am trying to make.

XYZ could say something considered by some to be out of bounds and the thread would be either deleted or possibly moved to R & R. Then a registered poster, JT as an example [nothing personal, just an example] could go on and slander XYZ. XYS would never know it or have the opportunity to defend him or herself by going to the general section.

You say that since Anonymous is unregistered no one would know who he is so what does it matter. We don't know who you are so you would be free to say anything you want about anyone and remain anonymous. Only the moderator can determine the identity of a registered member who goes only by intitals or such, and he probably isn't talking. However there are some unregistered people who post in their own names and they surely aren't anonymous!

All I am saying that you should not have to be registered to <span style="font-weight: bold">READ</span> R&R. I do not advocate unregistereds being able to post to R&R.

Peterg instituted this restriction once before and backed away from it. Why the return to what he felt back then that it was not a good procedure?

JEB

I just tried to post this and it seems that someone has just registered as JEB.

in the last hour. That closes me out. Is that an effort on someone's part to deny me the use of my initials?

Registered JEB beware. I can still post and sign my JEB to it

JEB

there is no requirement to join aaca but it is nice when people do

JEB,

I registered as "JEB" to prove a point. Anyone could post as "anonymous JEB". Anonymous posting (even with a name attached) is for the one-time or occational visitor, not for habitual users of this forum - as you obviously have been for a very long time.

Occational visitors to this forum have no need to see the R&R forum. So hiding it from them is of no consiquence.

As to your other comments - if you don't like how I run this forum feel free to leave, or if you wish, complain to the AACA Board of Directors. Keep in mind they will not entertain your complaining anonymously anymore than I do.

Peter

JEB,

FYI - I'ved deleted the registered username "JEB" if you would like to register it.

Peter

Hello, my name is JEB, as in Jeb Bush of Florida

I had not realized that identity theft had come to the Forum. First my sign on identity JEB is taken away and then I am accused of being someone else. Then I am told that using ones initials without registering is only for ?occasional visitors.? Jeb is my first name not my initials. Sorry but I did not know that rule. I will not do it again. I just thought it was better to use a name instead of just coming on as Anonymous. I thought that by doing that anyone that wanted to post something relating to what I said could make a direct response to an identity and not just one of many anonymous posters. My mistake.

Possibly this requirement is part of the new forum format. I remember in the past that there were many posts by a number of unregistered people who used their name, initials or some alphanumeric combination. One unregistered person using his first name made dozens of posts over a long period of time and nothing was ever said. But of course he never found fault with the system.

All of this has caused me to rethink my position on registration. I now feel strongly that anyone should be able to READ any part of the forum at any time, but NOBODY should be allowed to post to the forum without being registered. That way the administrator can always identify who posts what and there will no accusations of someone being anyone other than who he is, as is being done here. It also might be well if the registration not only included the E-mail address but also the person?s full name and address. This would not have to be on the profile available to readers, but the administrator would have positive identification of everyone who registers and therefore anyone who posts.

Institute that rule and I will register immediately using my full name like Tod Fitch or Peter Hartmann do. Until then if I have anything else to say I will just have to be another Anonymous like today.

JEB

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Well I have been readin gposts here for a long time but haven't registered until last night - also haven't posted until now.

I do not see why someone would mind registering and identifying themselves unless there is a hidden agenda. Not trying to start a flame war but I will be careful what I write or how I respnd if I know that I will always be credited with what I write - be it good or bad.

Plus, I would think one of the benefits of this forum is to make friends in the old car hobby. What if they have a forum get together and all the anon's come - how will anybody know who they really are? If I show up with my forum name - they may not know me but at least the next time they see a post from me they will at least know who I am.

Just my 2 cents on a first post

I for one applaud the efforts to keep the anonymous user situation under control, I still think every poster should be required to post...period. Why? it would keep riff raff like me out! LOL

Seriously though, none of the past problems would ever had occurred if this policy was instituted. It would also prevent the typical attacks some of the old regulars perpetuated by taking advantage of the Anonymous user function.

So c'mon Pete! You have the power! Do it! The rest of us will thank you for it.

Since your asking, I will always stay anonymous. Thank you very much.

BTW did you know!? Certain anonymous members have been banned from this site by IP address!? I guess it's a good thing I'm on dial up hey!?

Hey "Aircooled",

Welcome aboard and I hope you become a regular contributor. I believe the same way you do and, by the way, I was able to connect a face with a forum name at last year's Annual Meeting in Philly and it was a great experience. I hope to be able to connect more faces with DF users in the future but have no desire to meet any anoms or unregs.

fordee9r: It's too bad that you don't want to meet some of the anonymous posters. I for one have an extra rebuilt carburetor for your Chrysler. I bought it by mistake and had it overhauled by the best. I would sell it to you at a loss, but you aren't interested in meeting me. I gotta say that your approach seems a little short sighted.

It's ironic that a life member of the AACA can't look at the rant and raves section, but Petey Hartmann, who does nothing BUT rant and rave (and doesn't belong to the AACA) can go merrily along. Crazy world, ain't it?

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Even if you are like myself, a bit turned off by Pete's approach, at least he is willing to be upfront and using his name about his views and not hide behind an anon login.

I believe that if you want to be heard and for your views to be respected , then you should at least offer up something to validate them. A man is only as good as his name.

Amplicar! Well said. I agree with you completely. And Fordee9r! I guess I'll see you at Philly next year for the first time. I understand there will be a forum group gettogether early in that week, so I won't miss this, like I did at Hershey. Wayne

Actually amphicar since your new here we'll cut you some slack, the history of this forum is quite infamous and we will see how you fair now that the honourable HVS is back.

Little hint for ya, agree with everything he has to say that will keep you out of trouble...and don't mention the word "redneck" he's still a little sensitive about that one.

Welcome back HVS! We missed you!

PS: Have you noticed there is no more ranting in the Classic Car forum since they made PH forum leader?! We should make HVS a leader! Look how well it worked on PH!

I think we need a vote on this.

HVS for forum leader! Do I hear any seconds to this motion?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Actually amphicar since your new here we'll cut you some slack, the history of this forum is quite infamous and we will see how you fair now that the honourable HVS is back.

Little hint for ya, agree with everything he has to say that will keep you out of trouble...and don't mention the word "redneck" he's still a little sensitive about that one.

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Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have been around news groups and such (mostly Harley related) for about 14 years now so I feel like I can take it. HVS' reputation has preceeded him. I can have a good "discussion" and still respect the guy.

Amphicar: I believe the phrase is "A man is only as good as his word". You missed the points of my post. To be a little more blunt, forde9r is being myopic in ignoring anonymous posts. He missed out on a good carburetor. Also, it is silly to hide a section called "Rant and Rave" when so many of the "open"

posts are rants and raves. Get it?

HVS doesn't want to be a forum leader or anything else like that. I have lots of other things to keep me busy, and in fact got a lot more work done on my projects during my absence from the forum than I did when I was regularly involved. Give it to Petey. He's experienced now.

I respectfully request that my detractors please read the second paragraph of the thread entitled THANK YOU elsewhere in the General section of this forum.

hvs

Hey '33'

In regards to <span style="font-style: italic">"He missed out on a good carburetor"</span>, I don't recall ever looking for a carburetor on this or any other forum! By the way, I certainly would NOT try to make ANY type of deal with an anonymous or unregistered person. Just seems like they have something to hide.

Anonymous ~ Don't give it a thought where I am concerned. I have been reading and enjoying all of Amphicar's posts and think he makes good points and posts neat pictures.

Amphicar ~ Just keep on posting and ignore the anonymous hacks.

hvs

Thanks for the compliments HVS! I give little if any thought to most anon posts.

One thing I have become known for is my graphics. I am currently redesigning my entire website. It is sadly out of date. I have been a graphics artist, website designer and currently I am doing 3D solids modeling mechanical design work.

You going to register HVS JR.? You could be just a person who is impersonating the hallowed HVS as far as I'm concerned.

BTW is your "red" neck condition getting any better?

Anonymous~ Why don't you just back off. What it seems you are trying to get started here with HVS isn't needed!

That's about as nice as I can put it to you.

every time i go upstate new york, to skaneatires lake i see an amphicar, never in the water.. though.

but that is the best comprehensives car sight i've ever seen.

do you know anything about the Cadillac boats that were around in the 50's?

we are trying to compile that kind of data base for the '20's-30's buick before all the old timers "die off".

the young guys have the computer skills, and the old guys have the Buick skills.... it's just trying to put them together is the problem.

i wish, these aaca forums were more like our users groups, and less for know-it-all's to preach.

the yahoo groups are free, but the membership ID is required to keep the porno and virgra add out....

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Thanks Tommy1927! When I started my site, I really wanted to make as much info available as possible. I scanned in the entire maintenance manual and it's online available for all Amphicar club members to view. That took me forever. The manual was translated from German and the spelling and gramatical errors were a-plenty. I also have it on CD with other Amphicar stuff too. There was not much info available, but now that has changed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> every time i go upstate new york, to skaneatires lake i see an amphicar, never in the water.. though. </div></div>

There are a few up there. Most seem to be either in Ca. - Wi - or NY. As always, if anyone finds one or parts I'm interested!

It might be because this is a club site and not a tech or single make site that other things like club stuff get discussed and then that leads to opinions and discussion.

Amphicar, Wife wants to know the years those cars were manufactured? Also, saw your web site last night, liked the fancy leathers, reminds me of the time I... Oh, never mind! Nice site,Nice bike. Wayne

<span style="font-weight: bold">WAYNE!</span> Be careful!!! There are sensitive old people reading these posts!!!

The Amphicar was made between 1961 and 1968, the last ones imported into the U.S. in 1967.

Thanks Dave. Wife won't wear the leather, if that clears up anything for the older guys. AND, don't go the other way with that statement! Geez, why did I even bring it up. W.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Amphicar, Wife wants to know the years those cars were manufactured? Also, saw your web site last night, liked the fancy leathers, reminds me of the time I... Oh, never mind! Nice site,Nice bike. Wayne </div></div>

Thanks Wayne! I love my Harley too! IMNSHO, a woman in leather is a beautiful thing, especially if she is on her own bike!

I see your question has been answered about the years of manufacture. I started another thread called "Amphibious-ness" that has a lot more info if you're interested. I am currently redesigning my entire site with updated photos and such. It is waaaaay out of date at the moment.