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  1. Does anyone know the history of this '34 1101 convertible sedan up for sale in the Bonhams auction on June 3? http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24810/lot/181/ I know that it sold for $121K at Gooding's Amelia auction last year: https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1934-packard-eight-1101-convertible-sedan/ The Gooding auction description is now down, but seems to be here, where it says that the car " had a CCCA first-place win in 1974, when it was awarded senior badge no. 665. Twenty-five years later, it was given a complete restoration and finished in tri-tone paint combination of Dove Gray, Tangerine, and black." After the Gooding auction, Mark Hyman has been offering it for sale for $177K over at his place-- I gather unsuccessfully, given its auction appearance in June with a $125-150K estimate. His listing his now down, but I think you can see all the pictures and description here: http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/packard/all-models/1934-packard-eight-convertible-sedan/7033471 Does anyone know more about the car? The colors are, um, interesting. But curious if anyone knows more about its history. Feel free to offer thoughts here or PM me, many thanks.
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    To pay or not to pay?...

    The way I see it, we car guys put on shows because we enjoy it: We get a pleasure out of showing our cars to each other and to members of the public. Given that, it makes sense that we pay to put on the shows. Another way to think of it is that this is our outreach to the next generation of car owners. An old car show might be just the thing to wow that kid or teenager into thinking that someday he just has to get an antique car. Without that show, that kid is a lot less likely to see the cars that make his heart go pitter patter. So in that sense shows are our way of carrying on the hobby into the future, and $10 or $20 is the price we pay to help make that happen.
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    Convertible top boot pattern for a '35 senior coupe-roadster

    Super helpful, Trimacar. Great idea, many thanks.
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    Convertible top boot pattern for a '35 senior coupe-roadster

    One more photo: This is from a factory photo of a 1935 Super 8 coupe-roadster. It looks like the same boot as in the 1951 picture, covering the whole area behind the seats, without the cover and door area as in the catalog. Granted, you might wonder if the cover and door area was something for the 12 but not the Super 8. Maybe, but there's some reason to doubt that. Here's a very small and grainy picture from the 1935 Standard 8 catalog, and it seems to show something like that same cover area, although you can't see much: Maybe this was just something in the catalogs that didn't make it into production? I've looked at photos of restored 1935 1207 coupe-roadsters that have their tops down but they all just seem to have a regular boot not using anything like what seems to be the original pattern. Any guidance welcome!
  5. I have a '35 1207 Coupe-Roadster, but when I had a new top put on in 2009, the shop didn't make a boot for the convertible top. I want to have one made, and I want to make sure the pattern is correct. I'm hoping folks might be able to help me. Here's what it looks like now, just open: I have a picture of my car from 1951 that shows this boot: The 1951 picture seems to match the boot from this 1936 Packard 12 advertisement (remember, the '36 and '35 are nearly identical, so probably the same boot design): I checked the 1935 Packard 12 catalog, which shows the following design. It looks a lot like the picture from 1951 and the 1936 advertisement but only covers the rear area with a cover and a door covering the rest: Normally I would treat the catalog as authoritative, but I don't know if that is true here; it occurred to me that maybe there were changes made from the catalog to production that changed the boot design, especially to a later-produced car in the series. And the factory images take liberties with the car, too, as you can see from how small the door hinge is made to seem compare to how big it is in real life. Does anyone know what is correct here? If the boot-area design with the cover and door is right, the next question is who might have such a car with the correct boot area that I could try to copy. Ideas for that welcome, too. Thanks!
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    Future of the antique car hobby

    I've wondered about this in particular for a Cord 810 or 812, as well as for an XK120. It seems like there are a few mods that are popular among club members for these cars that are just really useful to make the cars drivable in light of their original weaknesses. To each his own, of course, but I tend to think that popular mods among members of the marque club are usually ok.
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    Future of the antique car hobby

    As I was saying, I think the biggest problem facing the big Classics is the cost and difficulty of keeping them on the road.
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    Future of the antique car hobby

    I think the biggest problem facing the big Classics is the cost and difficulty of keeping them on the road. It may not be the end of the world if, over time, there are modifications to certain cars that make it easier and cheaper to keep them on the road. Of course it's painful for those of us on this board, who tend to obsess over everything being right and correct. And it may be a bizarre decision from a current market value perspective, as Matt points out. But as it gets harder to keep these cars on the road, fewer of them will be on the road; it may be that modified cars end up being the most used and driven, which is at least something.
  9. I'm 46, and I bought by first antique car (a 1949 Cadillac) in 2002 when I was 31. Here's an additional thought to throw into the mix. There are a lot of things we can't change about the future of the hobby. We can't make the next generation appreciate antique cars more. We can't make the economy better. We can't give people the money to be able to afford garages and have discretionary spending money for cars. Those trends aren't going to change, or at least we can't change them. However, there is one thing we can do: Pass on the knowledge. I think the hardest thing for the younger folks interested in old cars is that most of us have no knowledge of how to keep cars on the road. We know how to get a new tank of gas. We may know how to change the oil. But for a lot of us, that's just about all our regular experience teaches us. I think the most helpful think the senior members can do for the future of the hobby is make sure that their incredible knowledge base is passed on. That may mean hosting an event for members in which you go over basic maintenance or simple repairs. It may mean a club activity in which you write up a manual about how to fix a particularly tricky problem your specific cars have. Or maybe shoot a video on that and put in on YouTube. Either way, making that knowledge base available to the next generation is a really important part of keeping the hobby alive, and it's something that just a few people can do in a way that makes a big difference. My 2 cents, worth the electrons they are printed on.
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    Packard Ornament but What Year?

    Looks like it's something made by another company to look vaguely like Packard's "Goddess of Speed" hood ornament from the early to mid 1930s, but that it's not actually from a Packard. Here's a picture from a '33 Packard for purposes of comparison.
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    Bought a Barn Find 1977 Cadillac Seville!

    That's great. Congrats!
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    Discovery Channel Called Today About the 57 Skyliner

    I don't know if this site is reliable, but it claims that the Peugeot was inspired by the Airflow (rather than the other way around). https://auto.howstuffworks.com/1935-1940-peugeot-402.htm
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    Discovery Channel Called Today About the 57 Skyliner

    Sounds promising. Based on your posts here, I'm guessing that you're an ideal guest for their show. Assuming it all works out, I look forward to seeing it!
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    1940 show winner collector 4 door packard car for sale

    Enough dealers do this that I assume it works for them, at least, right? If their storage costs are low, they may able to afford to keep cars sitting around just in case someone comes along and doesn't know better than to overpay. I agree it harms the hobby, though, and it's no way to develop a loyal customer base.