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  1. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    Correction: In my Post #73, the James Levy Motors Co. was a Chalmers dealer. I also get Chalmers & Chandler mixed up.
  2. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    The car in Post #71 has what appears to be a 1917 Illinois license plate. James Levy Motors was in Chicago. Levy was a Chandler dealer; later a Buick dealer when Chandler closed its' doors.
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    Hi Curti, I agree with your post #68. The engine in the unknown car is unusual and differs from Chalmers engine pictures that I have found online. The following are some explanations for consideration: • Since Chalmers manufactured their own engines, perhaps the engine in the unknown car was a limited run of a different design; the unknown engine could also be a reissue of an older design. • The unknown car could be a Cleveland, which was Chalmers' attempt to offer a low priced "Light Six". Chalmers could have used surplus older style bodies for the Cleveland. I was unable to find many Cleveland pictures (car or engine) online from circa 1920. • In the time period of the unknown car, Chalmers purchased bodies from the Fisher Body Co. Perhaps Chalmers sold surplus Fisher bodies to another automobile company circa 1920.
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    I found an interesting old picture of two Chalmers touring cars at the Paradise Inn, Mt. Rainier National Park, Washington state. The inn is about 70 miles east of Tenalquot Prairie, were the pictures of the unknown car were taken. The automobiles pictured at the inn are circa 1920, based on the curved profile of the fenders. The cars are fairly new, but don't appear to be brand new cars. The mud splashed on the side of both cars indicates that they were driven on a wet road with the side curtains installed; note that the body of both cars, immediately below the top of the doors, is free of mud. The car closest to the camera is a 7-passenger touring car; the other car is a 5-passenger touring car. The 7-passenger car has a slightly longer body with an up-turned "tub" at the rear. The unknown car is also a 7-passenger touring car. Early 1920s Chalmers are fairly rare because of low production numbers, due to the 1920-21 recession. Since the cars pictured at the inn could be local to the area, it's possible that the abandoned car to be identified could be the one closet to the camera! The cars shown had a few more years of service life when photographed. During the Great Depression the salvage value of old cars was nil, so they were often abandoned. Thus the car pictured, in the original AACA Forum post, was likely abandoned during the depression. Chalmers production ended in 1923.
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    1939 Mercury.
  6. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    The Chalmers six has a body molding that is very close to the molding design on the unknown car. The vintage picture of the couple is an earlier Chalmers (circa 1918) with a flatter fender profile. The molding design is flat and wide at the back of the body (the enlarged picture); the molding looks like it has a slightly curved profile on the doors. Also, the enlarged picture shows a spare tire carrier bracket on the back of the body like the unknown car. The contemporary picture, of the black colored 1922 Chalmers, has a rear fender profile that resembles the unknown car. I was unable to find a circa 1922 Chalmers engine that matched the unknown car. However, the online pictures of Chalmers engines are limited. Also, it appears that Chalmers offered more than one six cylinder engine in the late teens and early 1920s.
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    Nzcarnerd, Regarding your post #62 - - - You're right, the folded top obscures the molding on the back of the body of cars pictured online. However, it is likely that the molding may also be on the car's doors. Anyway, I couldn't find a molding match to any online images of circa 1920 touring cars.
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    Mike, Your questions in post #60 - - - • The engine may not be a Continental, but it does have some Continental design features. Also, I doubt if the engine was made by Lycoming. I also considered Buda engines, but most of their production was for trucks. From limited Buda information, a match was not found. • From the shape of the right rear fender (the smooth transverse curve of the top) and the shape of the back of the body, I would guess the vintage of the car to be about 1920 to 1924. It appears that the body may have been designed in the late teens and carried over into early 1920s production.
  9. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    The raised "molding" design, at the top edge of the body, is unusual because it is flat and wide. This feature of the body's styling, likely extended forward all the way to the cowl and ended at the base of the windshield. A search of online images of circa 1920 touring cars did not result in a match. The image, below, was rotated a bit.
  10. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    I recently reviewed a friend's collection of illustrated gasket catalogs and Continental engine catalogs & ads for the period of the unknown car to ID. The following are the findings - - - Gasket catalogs: • No Continental engine head gasket was found that matches the unknown engine. • The whole catalog (all makes) was checked for a matching head gasket with no results. Continental engine catalogs and ads: • No illustration (or drawing) was found that matches the engine in the car to ID. • No engine model number in the catalog matched the "35BA" or the "3677-10" numbers found on the engine block of the unknown car. • Based on the engines illustrated in the catalog and ads, there were no circa 1920 engines with a slab-sided water jacket that extends as far down on the right side of the engine block as on the unknown engine.
  11. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    The information on a 1922 Davis (Post # 42), and also on a 1920 Davis, can be found on the following web site:
  12. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    Pictured is the engine in a 1922 Davis Model 71. The engine is a Continental 6Y Red Seal six cylinder rated at 50 hp with a 3-1/8" bore and a 4-1/4" stroke, displacing 196 cubic inches. Note that the exhaust manifold is connected to the ports at each end of the engine block. The exhaust manifold connection at the back of the engine block is partially obscured by the vacuum tank mounted on the firewall.
  13. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    My thoughts on the right side of the engine: I believe the object on the right side of the engine is the water pump. Most carburetors of the period were made of brass and likely would have been removed for its' scrap value years ago.
  14. New here- 1st Post: what is it

    I would like to add an observation to my post #30, above - - - The ports, located at each end of the engine block, are larger than the other ones since they service the exhaust from two cylinders.
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    Request for originator, "Tenalquot" - - - On a future trip to Tenalquot Prairie (I assume), please consider the following tasks, which would help ID the unknown car and / or the engine: • Check the ports in the block for the presence of any lengthwise passages. • Measure the bore of a cylinder (to 1/16" accuracy). • Measure the distance from the top of the block to each of the six pistons (to 1/16" accuracy) to determine the stroke. TDC is likely not flush with top of the block. • Take pictures of the rear axle (the differential) if present. • Take pictures of the arrangement of the rear springs, i.e., how they are attached to the frame and the rear end. • If the front and rear axles are present, please measure the wheelbase (both sides) so that an average can be calculated. • Take pictures of any numbers or letters that are cast into the engine block, such as a firing order.