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  1. THANK YOU! I do not have that reference book. This suggests that the Balls did not specifically work for either Penberthy or Carter, but Tom Ball may have worked for Chrysler. And probably Chrysler then commissioned Carter to produce the Ball and Ball carbs. So I think I understand what happened, now if I can just acquire bill-of-materials, on the various Ball and Ball (Penberthy versions) carburetors, I would be happy (well, happier ) Again, thanks. Jon.
  2. Along with the technical data requested above (no answers yet), I would also like to understand some of the history. What I currently know (or think I know?) (1) Ball and Ball carburetors were produced by the Penberthy Injector Company from 1916~1929 (fact) (2) Carter began producing Ball and Ball updraft carburetors (the BB series) beginning in fall of 1931 for 1932 model cars (fact) (3) Carter began producing Ball and Ball downdraft carburetors (the BBR series) beginning in fall of 1932 for the 1933 model cars (fact) From the internet: (4) According to Carl Breer, The Ball and Ball carburetor was owned by the Ball Brothers, and he hooked them up with Carter after Penberthy quit producing the carbs. (5) According to S.A.E. Journals, Frank Ball began a dissertation on carburetor flow at the April 1916 meeting, and then had his SON (Frederick Ball) finish the dissertation. (6) Frank Ball was also the developer of the Ball steam engine. (7) There are several patents assigned to either Frank Ball or Frederick Ball for the Ball and Ball Carburetor Company (8) There was another "Ball Brothers" company formed by 5 brothers about 1860. Questions: (A) I can find no sibling for Frederick. Was the Ball and Ball Company owned by Ball Brothers, or father and son? If brothers, who was the other one? (B) Did the Balls actually work for Penberthy and subsequently Carter? Or were the carburetors manufactured by Penberthy and later Carter under license? And I am STILL looking for technical data! Thanks. Jon.
  3. Correct G70 Carb ?

    Carter produced the BB-1 carbs. The very earliest BB-1 carbs were manufactured by Carter for Chrysler Corporation (1932). The Penberthy Injector Company produced carburetors for a number of manufacturers from 1916 through 1929. They look nothing like the Carter BB-1. The only resemblance is that both are updraft. The BB-1D is just one model of the type BB-1, and was released after WWII. It replaced the BB-1A. Jon.
  4. 1965 Buick Wildcat Carburetor

    Try this link: As for the choke, call me: 573-392-7378 (9-4 Mon-Tues central time). Can probably help you free it. Jon
  5. Looking for technical data on Penberthy (Ball & Ball) updraft carburetors. This could be copies of the models and carburetor pages from Master Parts Books, owners manuals, whatever. In 40 years, the only factory technical Penberthy literature I have found is the SV-26. Have found several ads, promotional flyers, repair data; but no parts data. Might be able to offer repair kits for some of these if I can acquire some information. Here is a link to a listing of the vehicles which various sources suggest used Penberthy (Ball & Ball) carburetors. Please note that I need information only on the updraft Ball & Ball carbs produced by Penberthy; not the later downdraft units produced beginning about 1933 by Carter. I have all of the downdraft data. Jon.
  6. Correct G70 Carb ?

    Since we are doing "period" pricing, need to consider "period" finances. Will be happy to sell my new old stock (uncirculated ) 72-20 adapter for $1.00 if it is an uncirculated 1928 U.S. silver dollar! Jon.
  7. Correct G70 Carb ?

    The three original carbs: Penberthy (Ball & Ball) SV-26 (zero parts availability) Zenith type 105B (zinc alloy, cracked to pieces) Stromberg OX-2 (brass carb, excellent for its day, good parts availability, but parts and/or carb are not cheap). The OX-2 (type O, cross-flange, size 2) is in great demand to replace the later TX-2 (zinc alloy) and UX-2 (zinc alloy) carbs that crack to pieces. The BB-1 is an oft-used replacement carb, but is a straight-flange, so a cross-flange adapter would be necessary, and no offense to Sasha, the BB1A or BB1D would be the correct BB-1 for this application. And as shown in the chart, would require a Carter 72-20 (or equivalent) adapter. Jon.
  8. In early 1953, Carter made a small modification to the throttle body such that the same throttle body could be used as service replacement on the 725S (now 725SA) as well as the 882S( now 882SA). No other changes were made. Of the "carburetor problems" we see today: 45 percent are because of ethanol fuel, 45 percent because of conversion to electronic ignitions (either faulty components or incorrectly done) and 10 percent are really carburetor problems. If everything else on the engine is working as it should, even a chassis dynamometer would see no difference in the performance of a Carter 882s and 882sa. Jon.
  9. Todd - I still have the filmstrips. Most have been digitized, thus the material is saved. We have offered them for sale. If you would like to see a sample: Jon.
  10. Bernie - glad the one time sale was all you needed, that is what we like to hear. Do it right, do it once. You will do another car some day As to the source, about half and half from individuals and restoration shops (all seem to be busy, like us). The two weeks before were our dealers stocking up on specialty rebuilding kits. One of the nice points of our business is that one doesn't get bored. Another nice point is that the vast majority of our customers are great people. Once in a great while we acquire one with an attitude, but very rarely. Generally, even the folks who are expecting off-shore prices or yesterday shipping are cordial when we tell them we cannot do either. Really a wonderful hobby/business. Jon.
  11. This weeks orders (to date): 1938 Buick 1935 Rolls Royce 1953 Buick 1939 Chevrolet 1940 Chevrolet 1946 Chevrolet 1917 American LaFrance 1953 Homelite 1929 Chrysler 1953 Allis Chalmers 1931 Auburn 1961 Chrysler 1957 DeSoto 1956 DeSoto 1965 Pontiac 1925 Studebaker Next week will be different (it always is). Jon
  12. Lots of points made, with some disagreement. One point was the student loan debt. This hurts the youngsters in ALL areas of living, and maybe is a result of student loans being too easy to acquire. Grew up poor as the proverbial church mice; but got a modest one-year scholarship for college. During my undergraduate, and post-graduate time (9 years) I always worked at least 2 jobs, and often 3. Did not borrow a dime for college. When the Masters degree was finally conferred, had ZERO student debt. Another point was the era of vehicles of interest. I fully understand being comfortable with the vehicles of one's formative years. However, I am not certain I could afford to restore anything made in the 1980's or 1990's simply because of the electronics involved. Once a solenoid or sensor goes obsolete, many of them will never be reproduced - even off-shore, because of the cost. And my final point, attitude (grumpiness ) is not an attribute only of us elders. As for the current state of the hobby: we have been in the old car hobby business since 1973. The 1st quarter of 2018 (January, February, March) is the BEST 1st quarter in our company history. Here's to many more enjoyable years to everyone in our hobby. Try to involve someone younger than you. Jon.
  13. Carb Rebuild Woes

    We went to the local Junk-Mart and purchased an ELECTRIC toaster oven to cook carburetor parts. DO NOT USE A GAS OVEN! Have freed hundreds of throttle shafts in this manner. On the other hand, when life hands you a lemon, think lemonade. You should get better fuel economy with the secondary not functioning! Jon.
  14. Zimm - as others have mentioned, you need to determine the problem before throwing more money at the problem. Since you checked the floats, and the fuel pump is over 15 years old, I also am going to vote for dirt. When removing the lines, you will disturb some residue in the lines which will move forward with the fuel into the carburetor (unless you also replaced all the lines). The issue MAY solve itself, and it may not. I would begin by cleaning up all of the fuel on the manifold, and completely drying both manifold and carburetor. Then, with a couple of helpers (have one crank the engine, while you and the other stare at the carburetor from opposite sides of the vehicle) to determine exactly from where the fuel is coming. Please read this link: We need to know if the fuel is coming out when you shut the engine off; or if when you try to start. My telephone hours are 9-4 Mon-Tues central time. Will be happy to try to help. Jon.
  15. Was doing some research for a customer on Rayfield carbs. Didn't find what I was looking for, but then I didn't expect to, so not disappointed. Some information that may be useful: (1) The most common Rayfields found will be type G and type L, both updraft. (2) The G is water-jacketed, the L is not, otherwise supposedly identical. (3) Both the G and the L come with right-hand controls or left-hand controls. If left-hand, the model becomes either a GL or an LL (eg GL-3 instead of G-3 for the right-hand controls). (4) The number following the model is one number larger than the S.A.E. flange size (eg the aforementioned GL-3 is a size 2 carburetor). (5) Rayfield also produced a type M which is a side-draft. These were produced with the center line of the mounting bolts vertical (eg M3V) or horizontal (eg M3H). (6) Rayfield produced several technical books, which can be quite confusing, as their application chart does NOT specify if the suggested carburetor is original or aftermarket. Both are included in the chart. I have custody of copies of Book B, Book C, and Book D (I assume there was an earlier Book A, but have not seen one). The latest factory information that I have is Book D printed in 1919. I know that Rayfield continued to make carburetors in to the 1920's and would delight in finding later information, if anyone can help. (7) And the entry in Wikipedia for the Rayfield car stated all models used downdraft Rayfield carburetors, which is incorrect - they were updrafts. Jon.