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About poci1957

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    Decatur IL
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    Comet & Pan American Decatur IL Assembled Cars
    1957 Pontiac


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    Graduate of McPherson College Auto Restotation 1987

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  1. How old was your car when you bought it?

    Thanks for your support Saddlerider, but just to clarify I may be coming from a different direction than you think. I am certainly happy with my 1979 Trans Am, not ashamed to drive and show it and fully support the inclusion of 1970s and 1980s cars in the hobby generally and AACA in particular. My mention of the tours is just out of respect for the old-time hobbyists who might think a 1979 out of place at a tour designed to show off motoring in older old cars. My point of course was to illustrate the march of time and perception--I suppose my 1979 is as old fashioned to a 20 year old today as my 1957 was when I was 20. Likewise in the early 1980s when I came around a 50 year old thought a Model A was a car old enough to be interesting but a 1950s car recent in his memory was not. And so on..... Thanks for coming to my defense though, Todd C
  2. How old was your car when you bought it?

    Regrettably I think you are right about the above Bernie. Back to the original question essentially asking what is "old" it is a topic I have much considered, my own timeline is as follows regarding my 1957 Pontiac and 1979 Trans Am In 1987 I was 20 and my newly purchased 1957 Pontiac project was 30. It's appearance and technology seemed ancient to me and my peers and only the most hardcore prewar guy questioned it's old car credentials ("used car" you know). Now in 2017 it is 60 years old and I have owned it for over half it's life and 40% of mine (yikes!). In 2001 I bought my high school dream car, a 1979 Trans Am. It was 22, not an antique yet, I was 34. Now in 2017 it is 38, older than the 1957 was when I got it. Yet in my mind it is a modern car, with almost modern drivability. I would be ashamed to take it on an AACA driving tour since it is so recent. So there you have it, at 50 years old in my mind the car ten years older than me is an antique, the car I remember on the streets when I was 12 is not. But the actual timeline shows that is just my perception. I bet it is like that for most of us here, Todd C.
  3. I would also say that having an old car is still affordable except for a few conditions: First, the affordable old car cannot require a full professional restoration or it is unaffordable for most people, but that really has been the case since probably the 1980s or before. Second, being only interested in “icon” cars will make anyone feel the hobby is unaffordable. Any fledgling middle class hobbyist watching the cable TV auctions who smugly insists he will only be happy with a top quality Chevelle SS 454, Hemi Cuda or the like probably cannot participate, but a guy who realizes he can enjoy a Malibu or Duster can. He just cannot afford to have it professionally restored. Aaron65 says “the key to happiness in the old car hobby is lowered expectations” and that puts it more bluntly than I would but he is right. Third, asking prices and selling prices are different things and the idea of getting rich buying low and selling high is a long gone dream for most old cars. Usually the best you can hope for is to buy reasonable (patience is a virtue) and sell without losing money (patience is a virtue). Regrettably the market always seems to say something I want is a valuable heirloom and something I have is worth nothing to anyone, Todd C
  4. I Installed Seatbelts In My Desoto

    Regarding original seatbelts, it seems I recall that mounting anchor bolts for front seat belts were required to be installed in 1962 and front belts themselves in 1964 as others have said. I believe the 1968 date for front shoulder belts is correct and some may recall that the shoulder belt was not initially a three point belt but an additional plain belt clipped to the headliner when not in use and using an additional full size buckle. I am pretty sure my grandmothers 1970 Bonneville had 5 buckles in the front seat, two for each outboard passenger and one for the center lap belt. Regarding retrofitting belts, I installed lap belts in the front of my 1957 Pontiac and was not happy with the flat washers included with the belts so I looked around and found the mounting plates shown here from a street rod supply house (Julianos) for (I think) $15 a pair. When installed underneath they look factory-style and make a better installation. Good luck with yours, Todd C
  5. Help with prices

    I like Rusty's comments above, this type of thinking works here in the middle of the US, or at least did before so many people got delusions of grandeur from cable TV shows. As a youth this was what I did, especially (as he mentions) in nicer neighborhoods where an old car sitting around is not popular. As Franz said trying to buy a car still in use may be less effective than finding Rusty's neglected second car and in this situation the nagging wife is indeed likely your best friend.
  6. Help with prices

    Just a note, we Americans do not see many French cars over here and most of us know little or nothing about them other than maybe being able to recognize a 2CV in the movies. BUT Renaults were imported here and in the late 1950s the Dauphine was the #2 import in the US behind only the VW Beetle. They imported the Renault Caravelle (Floride) in the 1960s and I understand they are already appreciating in Europe. Hope you find something you can enjoy, Todd C
  7. Help with prices

    Good advice from Frantz above. Just to expand on his comments, a 2CV is what I would call an "icon" car, meaning a popular instantly recognized old car, such as a 1957 Chevy over here. The "icon" car is not rare, it is often quite common, but because it is famous with the public owners often think their project cars are worth too much money as you have found. In your case rather than a 2CV maybe a 1950s Renault 4CV or Dauphine would be a thought? Many were made so maybe they would be easier to find cheap and still with good parts availability? Good luck with your project, Todd C
  8. 84 Riviera transmission pan torque

    Torque for a regular Turbo 350 is about 10ft/lbs
  9. restore finned drums?

    Take a look at: www.jgrelining.com . I have not used them yet but they seem to have much experience with 8 lug Pontiac drums which use a cast iron liner inside an aluminum drum, Todd C
  10. Greenwich - Anybody going Saturday?

    That is fantastic, congratulations to him and a big event for both of you to be sure, enjoy!
  11. 1958 Pontiac

    1957-59 Pontiacs use the same switch, it is not the same as a Chevy and they are not reproduced. They can be found on Ebay. As Gary says every 1950s Pontiac owner should have a free catalog from www.pontiacparts.net and www.amesperf.com .
  12. Any Chance This is a "Real" V12 Roadster?

    Regarding Wayne’s point above, what do we all think is passing for “due diligence” for newcomers on potential purchases like this one these days? It looks like inexperienced hobbyists are less likely to seek advice to identify fakes or problems just when they should be more concerned. Is anyone else seeing this? For example, if one were newly interested in a car like this Cadillac a first move before buying was always to join the CCCA and/or Cadillac LaSalle club and do some research in advance before pulling the trigger. Look at lots of cars, go to national shows, maybe contact a technical advisor or other marque “expert” for tips. Is this happening less than it used to? It looks to me like rather than bother joining a club people just get their knowledge base from TV then maybe post a question here or on Facebook and take the advice that matches what they want to hear, dismissing what they don’t. Rather like modern politics, now that I see it in writing. What do others think?
  13. It is hilarious, as if using as much copy as possible will suck a buyer into the "grandeur". Auction companies and dealers both do the lengthy (and often slightly wrong) history lesson too, as if a casual buyer will say to themselves "...gee, here I sit with $50,000 cash dying to buy an old car but I know nothing about them. Such an exciting description makes me ready to throw it all at this one even though it is rusty and needs everything, how lucky I spotted this ad...." I don't think so, Todd C
  14. 1929 Ford coupe who to call for advise?.

    Yes, me either except for total junk and sometimes not even then. But I am patiently waiting......
  15. Willys or "Willis" ?

    I have also seen the reference to "Willis" but in my area "Willie's" is recognized. Of course most around here also refer to the German sports car as a "Porsh" rather than "Pors-sha" and the British one as a "Jag-wire" rather than "Jag-u-are"