Lozierman

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While searching for Lozier parts many years ago I came across an ad in Hemmings that stated the seller had a large 6-cylinder T head motor for sale. I immediately contacted the seller, and he described it as best he could over the phone, (pre-internet days). I determined it wasn't a Lozier motor, but I decided it might work until I found the correct motor. I had a Lozier frame and almost the rest of a chassis along with a Briarcliff body. I sent him a check and he sent me photos. When the photos arrived, I knew it wasn't a Lozier motor, but I wanted it anyway. He crated it and sent it to me. He lived in Maine, and I live in Washington State. I had it for many years and wasn't able to identify it as it had no marking except some cast numbers including a serial number. Many items were nickel plated. I searched old copies of HCCA, the AACA and spent many hours in the main library checking out bound copies of Horseless Age, Motor, etc. Never found it in any of the publications. Finally, a local guy heard about it and he came to see it. He owned an Olds Autocrat and identified it as an Olds Limited motor. I was later contacted by a collector who had come to Seattle on a business trip. He came to see it and was overwhelmed to find it was indeed a motor for an Olds Limited. He wanted to buy it as he had the rest of an Olds Limited chassis and even had the casting of a body. He said if he could purchase the motor, he could complete the 7th known Limited. He already had two, so I assumed he knew what he was talking about. I decided he needed it more than I did as I would not want to see my motor misused. Last I heard he was trying to sell his Limited project. I don't know if it is now one of those shown in these posts. I never did find the Lozier motor I needed, but I did find a few others during my searches. These include a motor for a 1907 Thomas Detroit and a 1911 Pierce Arrow 48. Both of these found homes that resulted in complete cars. I eventually traded all of my Lozier parts for a complete, original 1913 Lozier Montclair touring.

This has been on several ads over the past 10 years. I called about it when it was supposedly located in Oregon, but in fact it wasn't available to be seen there. It was built using mostly original parts. I believe the body is a reproduction of castings that seem to be quality work. I believe the seller at the time I called told me it was not an original 1911 motor as evidenced by the starter and generator. I could be wrong as it is only from my memory I am making these comments. I apologize in advance if I am wrong. I would like to have it to try and finish. I do remember the price being around $50K at the time. Just remembered I also saw this later listed as being for sale in Alaska.

I know this car. Haven't seen it in years. I knew the owner.

Yes, it is a Lozier 6-cylinder Briarcliff touring. I'd say it is an early 1910 because of the Solar sidelamps w/o the bale handle and what appears to me the rounded upper tank of the radiator. Only problem I see with this Lozier is that it's not in my garage! I would sure like a copy of the original photo.

I live in the Seattle WA area. Back in 1969 I found a motor for a 1907/08 Thomas-Detroit. It was easily identifiable due to the word Thomas on top of the motor jugs. The guy I bought it from said it was from the around-the-world Thomas Flyer. I knew that was not true as that was a six cylinder car, not a four. After I got it home I began to look at Hemmings Motor News to see what else might be available for any Thomas. To my surprise, a guy in CA was advertising under, Wanted, for a Thomas motor with a photo in his ad. It was the motor I had just found. I contacted him and he came up to Seattle to pick it up. He said he had the rest of the chassis and the motor would allow him to complete the 3rd known Thomas-Detroit roadster as shown in the above photos here. The motor looked exactly like the ones made by Continental. It was a great motor. By way, the completely restored car ended up as part of Harrah's collection a few years later. I also found a motor for an 1911 Oldsmobile Limited and a 1911 Pierce-Arrow model 48. I'm still looking a for a motor for a Lozier. Anyone?

Looking for any parts for any year Lozier. What is available? T-head motor, frame, radiator, front or rear axles? Most parts are not easily identifiable except the radiator and the transmission cover. Please let me know what you know is out there. Thanks!

Looking for any parts for any year Lozier. What is available? T-head motor, frame, radiator, front or rear axles? Most parts are not easily identifiable except the radiator and the transmission cover. Please let me know what you know is out there. Thanks!

I think the green wire is for the horn switch to the horn.

Sir, You are doing a remarkable job. I certainly do not possess your talents in doing such work. I doubt many could do what you are showing us. Bravo!!

Chris, Great idea to have three sets made. I hope you don't try to sell me an inferior set. Of course seeing as there are only two 1914 Model 15 Chandlers left, there is a very limited market! Please keep us(me) posted on this project.

Our 1913 Lozier Montclair touring has its original side curtains. Here is a picture of it with the side curtains in place on one side. This was at a concurs held at the Lemay Museum in Tacoma WA a few years ago. The side curtains were made by Jiffy and there is an original patch showing the patent date in 1912.

Jeff, I loved the scene where the Lozier and Thomas were parked in front of the house. They looked great!

Chris, I am looking forward to you getting this figured out for my benefit too!

The car parked in front of the grocery is a Chandler. The rear glass is distinctive as it matches the radiator emblem.

My wife and I visited with Jerry at his house several years ago. We had corresponded for more than 30 years regarding Lozier automobiles. He had an extra engine and rebuilt transmission and some other various parts that I wanted to buy, but we never could agree to a price. He was a very nice guy and was proud of his cars. He was a gracious host and enjoyed showing us his cars. He has owned them for years.

Nice 1911 Lozier Lakewood Torpedo. I believe this was Dr. Davenport's at one time.

I had a very in-depth conversation with a Lozier expert who lives in the south Seattle area. He has stated without a doubt this is a very rare toolbox and thinks its history can be traced all the way back to originally belonging to Harry A. Lozier. From him it was presented to the famous Lozier engineer, John Perrin and then presented to Ralph Mulford who took it and used it in the pits during the original Indy 500 in 1911. Ralph used it, but unfortunately, it wasn't enough to give him the victory in the first 500 race. As a result, it was delegated to some losing Lozier mechanic and its provenance has now been lost. How it ended up in Olympia WA is truly a mystery, but perhaps an ad placed in the local newspaper can bring forth your requested answers. Who knows, perhaps there is a Lozier lurking away in an Olympia WA garage awaiting the opportunity to rejoin this toolbox! Happy hunting!!! Seriously, this is an amazing find, and I'm glad it has found you. I can only think of one other person who I wish had found it first.

For more than 50 years I have maintained a list of know Lozier automobiles. To date, there ae only 40 known Lozier cars, including 3 project cars. I share the information with the owners, but I do not share it with others. Lozier are sold and bought without much outside fanfare. There was one sold recently, that has changed hands and I don't have firsthand knowledge of who purchased it. I did hear it is being given a new restoration. If anyone knows of a Lozier, please contact me so I can make sure my information is accurate. By the way, I have personally seen abut half of these Lozier automobiles. I have a 1913 Montclair touring, that is original except it was repainted many years ago. I also have many Lozier parts and I am always looking for any other Lozier parts. Thanks,

Could this be an Aero car? Around 1907 vintage?

Didn't your dad have one of these in his collection, but a different color? This one looks great.

The Mercer belongs to Fred Hoch. He is a very fine gentlemen.

I can't attend Hershey this year so I'm asking on this forum for any parts available for any year Lozier. What is available? Thanks for any leads.

Yes

If this is the 1906 Model D Lozier that was in Truth or Consequences NM, then Yes, at one time it was owned by Harrah's. It is still around. I never heard that Pat Garrett owned it at one time. I maintain a list of known Loziers and have kept it up to date for more than 50 years. I'm always interested in learning about Lozier and am looking for any parts.