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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Thanks for your comments and clarifications, Mr. Shaw. Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Mr. Shaw, thanks for those clarifications. I perceive that you are addressing procedural issues only? As this discussion is happening in the "General" forum, then any BCA member might see it and comment. If it was in the specific Pre-War forum, I feel that as a BCA member I could still participate, but typically not know about it as the Pre-War forum is not a place I normally go . . . unless there is a reason. If I, as Mr. Earl also seemed to do, obtained an incorrect orientation that members of the Pre-War Division were advocates of "no judging", then I'll take your Mr. Schramm's comments as being "pro-judging"? Or more importantly "pro-choice" in judging? My apologies for my incorrect comments in this area. Mr. Schramm, I concur that there are some who spend lots of money on restorations, but as long as the BCA is oriented toward "accurate build", end of the assembly line cars, then all of that massive expense results in an over-restored car and NO additional points in the 400 Point Judging, as I recall. Many who spend that kind of money with a noted restoration shop might expect a high level award, as a result. Some might spend that money to have an accurate as-produced vehicle, in a vehicle preservation orientation, which I fully understand and applaud. And then we might have a vehicle that is, as yet, unrestored but well-kept, with an owner who does more of their own work, but high-level work. Everybody can share experiences and tips among themselves, for everyone's benefit. AND, in my orientation, there's plenty of room under the BCA Umbrella for all of that! As for younger enthusiasts being priced out of the market, so to speak, that can be variable. In the middle '80s, when mini-trucks were popular with younger males, their local club had a display at an indoor "rod and custom" show. I was amazed at the quality of the paint, even on the firewall. Plus that it was pinstriped to match the outer panels. Interior re-do was very well done, too. Those vehicles were their identity and that's what they lived for. And everything was done to a very high level of execution. A level that would have put any Buick at about 398 points, I suspect. When the Mopar Nationals started their "Young Guns" car show class, that brought out the "high school kids" and their cars. Waxed, polished bright trim, interiors looking good (even the stock OEM ones), and hoods raised for all to see under there. And then, there was the Plymouth Reliant 4-door sedan in the middle of it all. Done by an auto shop at a high school. Very nice BC/CC paint, fully re-painted, an engine compartment you could count the specs of dust in, AND modified for suicide doors. A custom interior that would make you forget it was a mere "Plymouth"! There were 4 or 5 young guys finishing getting it all spiffed-up to look its best. I'm wondering "Why" a "nothing special" fwd sedan? But that didn't' keep them from doing everything as great as they could. Very possibly to a higher degree of execution than a $100K+ restoration would have had. AND something they could relate to and be proud of. Key thing would be to keep them focused and also teach them how to better their skills and make them more appropriate for a correct restoration than a full-blown customized vehicle. Although some of the same skills would apply, just in a different orientation. I hope that in the BCA, that special "middle ground" can be agreed upon and things progress positively from there. To everybody's mutual benefit and enjoyment. Respectfully, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Carl, you are correct. When a new Head Coach is hired, it's understood that the new coach is empowered to assemble their own team of Assistant Coaches as they might see fit. Same with School Superintendents, CEOs and such. Their empowerment to assemble their teams is understood up front. Such empowerments come from those BODs that hired them. Perhaps Mr. Getstkemper's comments caught many off guard or perhaps were a little blunt? I, personally, am not aware of his orientations were when those comments were made. Be that as it may. I was glad to see the wording "Interim Director" by him, though. To me, that's a positive as his replacement of an existing divisional operative would have been considered a "negative" by some. Thanks for your clarifications, Matt. I have no doubt some would desire this whole situation be handled expeditiously. Obviously it's not the only thing the BCA BOD has to deal with, so any prioritization would be necessary and understandable. Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    As for "Why?", that's a determination the PWD operatives would need to make, not the BOD asking "Why?" the presented Gerstkamper proposal was appealing to the BCA BOD. From that research/determination, the PWD operatives could make their counter-proposal for the BCA BOD to consider. Has such a counter-proposal been formulated by the PWD yet? Just curious. One proposal has been made, now there needs to be a counter-proposal by existing PWD operatives, so that the best decision can be made by the BCA BOD, it seems to me. Isn't that how things should work? Just some thoughts, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Carl, thank you for your comments. It's somewhat common practice that when a new Head Football Coach is hired by a school system, that the coach will bring in their "own people" to replace the other coaches already there and have been there under the prior coach. Might not be fair, but it happens regularly. What Mr. Gerstkamper stated is basically very similar. Not to say that the prior coaches were "bad", just that they weren't "the new coach's people" whom the new Head Coach obviously "had good history with". Similar things can happen when a new manager or CEO is hired by a company. IF one of the real issues of "contention" is related to the weight that the 400 Point Judging has a BCA National Meet exists, aren't there also "non-judged car" areas too? Or is that a focus of the "all together judging" some Pre-War operatives doing away with, so all Pre-War cars (judged or non-judged) can be parked together? One of my thoughts has been to have a special section of the BCA Show Field, or another near-by appropriate area, set aside for "feature cars". I'd consider Seniors, Senior Preservation, or possibly some Archival vehicles in attendance, so perhaps ALL Pre-War cars might be in that group too? In prior times, logistics of judging were a big consideration of NOT doing this, so that suggestion wasn't acted upon, which I understand. What might need to be considered is "Why?" Mr. Gerstkamper's proposal appealed to the BCA BOD. Once the Pre-War Division members/operatives understand that, perhaps some adjustments can be made by the objectors to Mr. Gerstkamper's proposal to maintain existing operatives and move forward? In the orientation of "Continuous Improvement". In other words, a possible alternative proposal to the BCA BOD? There's probably been enough time for that to happen since Denver? It shouldn't be about who's aligned with whom, either way, between the BCA BOD and the Pre-War Division, or how many members of the BOD who might be "friendly to members in the PWD, or if continuing with the existing PWD leadership, that's their call . . . so long as what's determined is in the best interest of the BCA as a whole, to me. Remember, the BCA BOD "makes the rules". "Bending to them" might not be required or "want to do", but advisable in many cases. "Stacking the BOD", on any orientation, might take more time and effort than to see both sides of an issue and finding a way to work together? How much more might get done, that way? Sad to see such polarization on an issue, not unlike what we've seen in the Federal Legislature for FAR too many years, by observation . . . and that's another story. Respectfully, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    "Skin in the game"? Is that how a person's potential worth is measured? Over the years, in other car clubs and this one, I've observed BCA members who have owned numerous Buicks, either over the year or in more recent times. They are nice people and will be helpful to other Buick enthusiasts if given the chance. They are very "involved' with the marque and active enthusiasts. As a member they are great, but put them in an administrative role in something and one of two things happen . . . they soar with eagles, or "otherwise". BUT they own particular Buicks of their liking and everybody likes them. Part of that "otherwise" situation can be that they have their own perceptions of how to administer the group in their vision of things. Nothing the matter with that, BUT if that vision doesn't match that of the group, frustration can result as few desire to follow or buy-into that vision. NO mid-stream adjustments are made, only "full steam ahead". The fact that others might not desire to follow is THEIR decision . . . as they are left in the garage, so to speak. So not being "in the group of followers", they quietly take their cars and go to play in other groups. And THESE people can very well have "skin in the game". The preferred orientation is for the leader to consider ALL of their members and what THEY want to do. Let THEM decide, even if it might not be exactly what "the leader" desires, or the group of followers/associates might really want to do. Generally better long-term results tend to happen this way. Now, what's to keep a person from going to a big-name auction, getting all caught-up in the frenzy, purchasing a Pre-War Buick that catches their fancy. THEN looking for a club to join, finds the BCA and then the Pre-War group. First Buick they've ever owned. They join the necessary groups, then become active in them, even attaining "officer" status. When the next leadership slot opens, they get elected. Then they start to run things "their way", with lots of energy. Tours, cruises, shows, etc. This person has "money", so that's how activities are configured. This new leader perceives everybody in the group is like him/her, not considering that some might not have the same resources or tastes. Yet this person clicks "all the boxes". Car, drive/energy, BCA member, "skin in the game". When others don't follow eagerly, they give up, might keep the car a while longer, but eventually sell it. Move on to other things. Ideally, it's what's in a person's "head" that, to me, is much more important (anybody know what a "psychological contract" is?) than having a particular vehicle in their ownership. But we sometimes tend to substitute vehicle ownership as evidence of that. "Number of toys wins", it seems. To me, we should ALL be trying to make the BCA a better place to be, in as many areas as possible, because WE are here. NOT tearing it down seeking to re-build it better after it might be torn down. Why not use past MOMENTUM to fuel that upward path into the future? Building upon PAST accomplishments! Vehicle ownership has NO bearing upon this function, by observation! Many "clubs" can be seen as "specialized membership only", yet "enthusiast organizations" can be a much wider audience. Especially when vehicle ownership is an unwritten requirement. How many times have we heard "I'm selling my Buick" and then their chapter/national membership goes unrenewed because of that? NOT unlike the perception that the BCA is an "antique car club". I've searched in the BCA By-Laws to see where that might be in print, but did not find it when I was looking. Does such language exist or is this a perception only? So, to me, "skin in the game" is more mental than physical, with all due respect. Just some thoughts, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Now . . . to their credit, I DID hear many positive comments about how the Pre-War cars were arranged at the Denver meet. Whom ever orchestrated or led that operation is to be commended. I doubt it happened "out of nature". Apparently, there were many "willing co-conspirators"? Can we look forward to that happening at future meets? What happens if somebody doesn't like where their assigned parking spot is? Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Back when the Pre-War Division was formed, I thought that was a good deal. There was positive energy in the group, from what I could see in the postings in here, and I perceived that was good. I also suspected that those involved might also, over time, discover it was "too much work" and things would wind down over time. That was THEN. So things progressed reasonably well, from what I could see in here. Then, there was a question about the Pre-War Division. Something like the activity in their specific forum had decreased, or something else made "outsiders" wonder about the group's activities. Eventually, I believe that Mr. Shaw replied that he'd been absent due to health issues, if I recall correctly? There were General Forum questions about membership, communications with members, and such. Membership numbers were reported. The lack of a regular newsletter, an important metric to some, was explained by what was mentioned a few responses back, that their particular forum was their unified "communication place", which can be a good deal, BUT also relies upon the particular individual to initiate coming to the Pre-War Forum, when THEY think about it, rather than when the Pre-War Division "thinks" about it for them. There used to be a free-standing car club in Dallas, TX. They had ONE rule, there were no rules. BUT, each of the members seemed to always have on their club jacket at weekend car cruises. There had to have been some communications network, but who would keep it updated, with no rules? How'd they'd know who was going where and when? Even the most "unstructured" group has some sort of "unwritten" structure, which also means a "leader", official or not. In other car club forums, under the "Activities" section, there usually are posts and questions of who's planning on going where and when. Who might be going to a particular local show, regional show, or cruise. Other members respond or ask questions. Even with defined regions of the nation, too. Many other clubs refer members to their website for activities listings, as this General Forum also has. As for "parking", in so many shows I've ever attended where there were classes, it was "parking by class", period. That's the way everybody did it, just as the BCA 400 Point System did. Completely in-line with "normal" and accepted practices at the time. There were NO limits of "mingling" or asking questions of other participants. The only exception might be in the BCA judging where the car owner needs to be accessible to judges while their vehicle is being judged. People MINGLED, even if it was across the parking lot, or next to them. Information shared, friends made. When I joined the BCA, one reason was that I had some knowledge and skills which I felt might be of use to the local chapter. I didn't own a Buick, but have accumulated THREE, over time. To claim that "a person" is not worthy of holding a position in a division, chapter, or on the BCA BOD as they don't currently own a particular year of Buick, might be a "power play" to keep things from progressing further? Who's to say that that person might soon own a particular year of Buick, in the future? To me, it has NOTHING to do with efficiently and successfully operating a Division of the BCA. To me, what's more important is that "the person" has an interest in Buicks and desires to see to it that the particular Division maintains, grows, and prospers into the future, giving the particular cars in that Division "their due", THAT's what's important. Of course, current BCA membership is required. As for the BCA or its chapters, many people have expressed that they are leaving the club as they've "sold their Buick". Yet where does it state that Buick ownership is required in order to be a BCA Member? For them, the "Buick segment" of their life is over, for whatever reason. At least that's how THEY see it. Their orientation and their determination. By the same token, some might feel they need to own a Buick, rather than just have a positive interest in Buicks, in order to join the BCA and a local chapter. Be that as it may. Others just want a place to sell their Buick or parts thereof. Perhaps it's time, again, for The Office to request a current list of members in chapter, divisions, etc.? As we've done before. To ensure that all chapter members and such are current BCA members. As Roberta mentioned, we've seen a good bit of this before. Respectfully, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    As I stated previously, an organization's "By-Laws" are formulated by the organization as their rule of self-governance. That basically means a BOD made and approved those rules themselves. There would probably need to be some areas where discussions were held, before further action on or approval of them. Later BODs are empowered to add to, amend, alter, vacate, or temporarily suspend any section, as long as approved actions are employed to do so. Later BODs would also have the empowerment to selectively not enforce various items, as they might determine necessary, by approved actions. As I understand it, "Robert's Rules of Order" do not have to be followed, unless the By-Laws so specify. In short, the BOD formulates the By-Laws, but can also decide to vote to not follow the By-Laws in specific instances, if they do so by a majority vote (with "majority" having a variable definition, but being anything over a 50% amount). There might be some general guidelines for formulating a By-Laws document, but I don't believe that anything is set in stone about how they are configured. As the BOD built them, to their perceived needs and liking. Ever notice how our federal or state elected legislators have changed their "voting rules" to define "majority vote" to a particular percentage? They're changing the rules they operate by, to their liking, in particular instances. Just some thoughts, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    It's real easy. Each Division elects its own representative, from their respective divisional membership. Doesn't have to be any "leader of the division", just a simple vote of the members-of-record of the division. This would also mean each division would need a current list of members, with their current BCA memberships verified by the BCA Office Another benefit would be the suspected huge decrease in perceptions that the BOD is being controlled by people "of a particular vehicular orientation", as such. Everybody has equal representation from the Divisions. Only duplications might be with the three membership-elected officers, which could be variable. Every Division has a seat at the table. Everybody has ONE vote. Might need to get back to "face-to-face" BOD meetings for the best results? Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    BOD Composition and Election Proposal -- The Membership elects a BOD President, Vice-President, and Treasurer. EACH of the BCA Divisions will send ONE of their members (selected by them) to sit and function on the BCA BOD. The other BCA BOD officers not elected by the Membership, will complete the remainder of the BCA BOD functions (Secretary, etc.). Tue BCA BOD shall also be empowered to appoint additional functions, as the CFO, as desired. The three BOD membership-elected positions shall have a limit of 8 consecutive years of service. Appointees will have no term limit, serving at the pleasure of the total BOD. This way, EVERY division in the BCA will have representation on the BOD, should they desire it. If they send no member from their divisional ranks, an "empty seat" that shall remain empty will result. Should any of the three elected BOD members have any conflict of interest regarding any subject for consideration by the BOD, they shall recuse themselves from any participation in the discussion and voting on the particular agenda item. Over the years, I have heard far too many comments about whom was being influenced by whom, who is aligned with what group, or who was allegedly "in the shadows" controlling how particular BOD members voted/acted. Rumors, I believe, but many tend to believe these things. The intent of my proposal is to ensure that EVERYBODY has a seat at the table, IF they desire to fill it and represent their BCA Division on the BOD. Just some thoughts, with possibly a few refinements later on, Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    Mr. Hinson is a member of the BCA, the organization being discussed, in how it conducts its business. I know the Moderators are volunteer. My apologies if my statement might have been misunderstood. Willis Bell 20811
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    Ignition Nut Wrench / Spanner

    Ignition cylinder bezel? There was probably a Kent-Moore special tool (which the GM/Buick service manual would mention) to do what you desire. But those were probably chunked/recycled years ago by the dealerships' service departments. Patience with the screwdriver/hammer mentioned above, WITH care and finesse to keep the screwdriver from slipping. Just some thoughts, NTX5467
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    By observation, "controversy" seems to be in the BCA's DNA. From the later 1990s, there was a move to get younger BOD members, that "new blood" orientation. Then, when those who advocated for that saw that the "new blood" wasn't acting like the "old blood", they didn't like it. And on and on and on . . . cycle repeat . . . And here we go again. Better get some new detergent (environmentally friendly, of course) to wash that dirty laundry in! I professionally believe that when anybody with the title of "Moderator" becomes an active participant in controversial threads, while also being a paid member of the organization being discussed, it can become problematic. Especially with the "Moderator" tag under their name! As if it might give their posts more credibility? Perhaps any Moderator who feels they need to be "in the middle of" controversial threads might also need to state they are making their comments as a paid member of _________ rather than let the readers perceive their comments are being made as a "Moderator"? I commend Mr. Earl for the good job he has done in his Moderator activities! I feel he has "taken the high road" rather than otherwise. Willis Bell 20811
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    Buick PreWar Division Status Question

    (With such a "free-form" structure and such, how did PWD become a Division of the BCA? Perhaps in the absence of "a leader" and no regular newsletter or communications with the membership via a newsletter, perhaps the BCA should have deactivated it when those things were more operative?) Thinkin' again, NTX5467
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    1958 Wells Fargo Limited to be Auctioned

    Thanks for that link. NTX5467
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    Where to find rear fenders for 62 skylark??

    Make SURE you get the quarter panel from the SAME MODEL and YEAR as your car. There might be some minor differences that can become "big deals" if everything doesn't match exactly. Seems like there's a "Baby Buick" group that might have some leads? NTX5467
  18. Follow the trail of drops, if you get lost? NTX5467
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    96 buick lesabre no power at pump

    As I recall, on the GM fuel injection systems, there is a timer for the fuel pump. If the engine doesn't start within a certain amount of seconds (seems like it used to be about 45 seconds, back "when") after the key is "ON", the pump turns off. There is another part of the fuel pump supply electricity and that is the oil pressure sending unit. Same thing, if oil pressure isn't present, the pump electricity is killed. As the computer is always "live", as is the clock in the radio OR an alarm system, you have to look at the amount of any "draws" with the ignition key turned "OFF". On the then-new '84 Corvettes, the dealers got a letter instructing them to charge the battery for 24 hours when the cars came off the transport trucks, to ensure the batteries were fully charged "on the lot". Also to charge the battery every so often, if the car was not run. Reason? Some of our customers discovered that their new Corvette, in a locked garage for more than 30 days would have a dead battery. Why? The parasitic draw from the factory alarm system! ALL esplain'd in factory TSBs for "Dead battery". About all you might do is troubleshoot the circuit with a test light and meter. Let us know what you find. Welcome to the Buick side of the AACA-hosted forums! One of the most active forums which they host. NTX5467
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    Judging Guidlines

    One observed issue with "restorations" is that in so doing, many people desire to "make them better" than the factory ever could or did. As I recall, unless something's changed, "over-restoration" is not rewarded on the BCA 400 Point System. Other club/group's judging MIGHT reward such, though. In some shows, a factory-correct vehicle will look poorly next to an over-restored vehicle with too much shiny paint, wrong paint type, and "show chrome" . . . the latter tends to be what many spectators desire to see and perceive is "stock". I believe there's a judging manual in this website, somewhere? NTX5467
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    General Motors

    GMAC's new, longer-term car financing of '1955 plus the popularity of the new '55 Buicks, allowed Buick monthly payments to be very close to those of "common cars". In a society seemingly filled with upwardly-mobile citizens (OR those who desired to appear to be that way), Buick leapt to #3 in national sales that year. There seemed to be lots of "Keeping up with the Jones'" going on back then. To the financial detriment of some who were trying to play that game! AND . . . then along came Volkswagen! Some for the best automotive advertisements ever! Look for them on YouTube. There's one where two families are in new tract homes in a new middle class development. One family has a middle-class 4-dr sedan. The other one comes home in a VW "bug". The one family kind of sneers at that small car, compared to his larger Detroit product. Then, a few days later, the VW family receives a new washer and drier . . . as the Detroit family comes out, the wife with a plastic laundry container in her hands, as they are getting ready to go to the new laundromat. The Detroit lady sneers at her husband for spending all of that money on a new car, as he tried to not watch. LOTS of unspoken messages and signals in those commercials! That was also in a time when car commercials could be a mini-show in themselves! Olds really made some producti0on numbers for their later-1950s tv commercials (check YouTube for them too). Glitz, glitter, nd pizzazzzzz with each new model year's vehicles. PLUS lots of catchy names for different components on the vehicles, too! Enjoy! NTX5467
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    Historic Dealership and Factory Photos

    1980s saw the first more-standardized architecture of the later years, per GM specs. Signage, interior items, furniture, in addition to the exterior specs. IF the OEMs had favorable financing of these changes, they got somewhat picky about everything being to their liking before they signed off on the, by observation. In one instance, the placement of a chair was critical! In one case, a midwestern area Chevy dealer did his own remodel in the likeness of a Bass Pro Shops store, which he said the customers really liked. But it wasn't inline with the GM specs for their last remodel specs, so he either had to sell the store or redo it. He sold the store and let somebody else take that new expense, from what I read back then. It seems that all dealers needing to look alike has become important, as other specs upon how customers' experiences are also surveyed and such. For a more "standardized" good customer experience, just like your expectations of what a McDonald's restaurant might provide to their customers, for example. There are some aspects of this that can make sense, but other aspects seem to need more work and upgraded orientations, from my perspective. Building architecture is not the whole story as to a great customer experience, regardless of the brand of vehicle, from what I've seen. Just some thoughts, NTX5467
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    General Motors

    In the '50s, especially the middle '50s, many (unknownst to them) "baby boomers" (who grew up in some shadows of the Great Depression, typically) were out of college and into their professional lives and futures. It was also a time when "What You Drove" could be an indicator of your aspired-to place in your future. I found an old VHS tape of car commercials, years ago. One Buick segment was of a newly-minted school teacher buying her first car. A "value--priced" Buick Special 2-dr sedan. The salesman went over the value of her purchase rather than of a less expensive car (i.e., Chevy or Ford). "For a few dollars more . . ." As many came our of their military time or college, they were upwardly-bound and wanted others to know it. Hence, Ford Fairlane 500s over a Ford Custom, Chevy Impala over a Biscayne, or Plymouth Belvedere over a Savoy. But once you got into the "middle-priced" cars, it was more about brand than model. Buick, Olds, Mercury, DeSoto, Chrysler, or Packard. In the case of Buick, it wasn't specifically that you had a Roadmaster or a two-tone Special or Century, just that you had a BUICK. For people who made money off of other people (bankers, business owners, etc.), a Cadillac was not acceptable, but a Buick/Olds/Mercury/Chrysler was. People with established "Fortunes" could do Cadillacs and Lincolns with no question, though. It was kind of interesting how the owners of those brands tended to vary! Each had a personality which tended to compliment the car brand's orientations, it seemed. A local attorney drove a black Lincoln in the earlier '60s, so he was successful and sought-after. An article in "Old Cars Weekly", decades ago, recounted the differences in a Cadillac customer and a Lincoln customer, from the perspective of a small rural town service station mechanic "on the main highway" between population centers. He recounted that every Cadillac owner wanted a "cheaper price" on all he did, parts included. As if they were straining to afford that Cadillac when they should have had something less expensive. The Lincoln owners, as he recounted, wanted an estimate, didn't quibble with the price, as they went to the local diner for a meal as their car was fixed. As if the Lincoln owners were more comfortable financially and had enough "space" in their bank account to get things done right. Kind of went along with what I'd noticed of Cadillac customers who bought gas at local stations . . . although the cars were 10.0CR, spec'd for :Premium", almost all of their male owners requested "Fill it up with Regular", over the years. Once, I asked on how it worked on Regular, he replied "just fine". Didn't clatter as he drove off, so I guess it worked for him. Back then, many owners were brand loyal. I figured out that this got its seed in their youth, depending upon vehicular ownership of "the family" or "trusted others". Aspirational vehicles existed then, to a big degree. Ford 4-seat Thunderbirds, Buick Rivieras, Chrysler 300 Letter Cars, were some. But Chevy Impalas, Ford Galaxie 500s, and Plymouth Furys were there for a less expensive demographic, too. Hang a big 4bbl engine in them and it helped more! But everybody wanted something "affordable" and "reliable", too. Didn't matter what brand it was, if it wasn't reliable and "easy/cheap to fix?, they got something else at the next trade cycle. Until they "found a home" and that's where they usually stayed. Each brand usually had their own "feel" and sounds back then. If those didn't feel right, it was on to something else later on. If it did feel right, with a good dealer nearby, then that corporation could have a long-term customer. LOTS of variables, back then! Seems that lots more went into designing those earlier cars than happens now! Flashier interiors! Distinctive styling! Didn't need to look for brand logos to know what kind of car it was, even blocks in the distance! Buicks were very recognizable back then! AND, it seemed that almost everybody had a neighbor, distant well-off relative, or friend who had some relationship with a Buick, one way or another. THAT could not be said for other brands of vehicles, to the same extent (except Chevy/Ford/Plymouth), by observation. Enjoy! NTX5467
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    Bob Leets Estate Auction

    Thanks for that notification and link, Roberta! NTX5467
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    1994 PA Ultra - Pass Side Door Trim

    ALSO . . . IF that is a supercharged Ultra (as I suspect it is), THEN you might also check the oil in the nose of the supercharger housing! It's a special oil that's available from Buick dealers and it's in the maintenance schedule to be changed every 50K miles or so (as I recall). There is a bearing in that nose piece that can wear, with time, which is why the internal oil supply is needed. If there's not a drain plug, the existing oil will need to be suctioned out and replaced with the new lube. There might be some detail differences in the moldings from different years, but everything from that body series could well fit. On the later Roadmasters, the polished stainless door moldings (with rubberized inserts) were about $200/EACH back then, as a guide. NTX5467