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Thanks. Yes, I am looking for recent owners. The estate seems to have only electronic copies of what was significant paperwork at some point in time.

I bought this 29 Model M from the recent Mark Smith auction. Just checking to see if anyone has any info on it. Thanks!

Here’s a news report about this Stutz safely escaping Paris as it fell.

@1937hd45 I don’t have all of the paperwork yet — just select pages that were Dropboxed. It looks to me like he did most of the repairs himself. He had it from 1931-66. He was living in Europe during most of the 30s, probably with no dealer support, and it looks like he spent a fair amount of his days puttering around with the car (which I guess you do as a 1930s heir). I mean — who else has time to sit around 1938 Berlin having your window frame and hubcaps rechromed while Hitler is busy getting ready to invade Poland? I also like that the guy helping him work on the Stutz was named Harry. Here are a couple of pages of his notes:

@alsancle I was the one who bought the 29 Stutz cab. I wasn’t there in person and didn’t see the car but I’m hoping the photos were not too deceptive. My impression is that the steal of the day was the 19 Stutz (lot 12) that sold for 46K. Again, I didn’t see the car in person, but I see no reason for it selling at half of low estimate. One of my friends was bidding on that and is still kicking himself for not chasing it a bit more.

@1937hd45 Bob, thanks! That’s one heck of a nice looking Winfield. I’m sure somebody “borrowed” the one from the Stutz some years ago. I’m attaching here a letter in the Stutz provenance file from A.K. Miller — notorious eccentric — who comments on the excessive use of Winfields.

Update to my 1929 Stutz purchase at the Mark Smith auction. Gooding emailed me the provenance papers for the car. From 1931 until 1966, it was owned by Norman C. Chambers, who was identified as a Caterpillar sales manager, with no other information about him. I found his address from an attached mechanical drawing of the fuel float sender he ordered for the Stutz in the 40s. His address was 40 E. 54th St. A simple Google search of that address and name revealed that Norman C. Chambers was a Titanic survivor. He was 27 at the time. He was awake when the Titanic hit the iceberg, and as a mechanical engineer, he later provided testimony to the Senate that he observed that the ship’s crew did not know how to work the watertight bulkheads. Other information in the Wiki account reveals that Chambers sailed from Germany in 1938 on the President Harding, which is the same account Chambers makes in the papers that come with the Stutz. Another interesting piece is his note from May 7, 1940, that he and the car “left Paris.” Just in time, I guess. Anyway, although Chambers’s name shows up in the Gooding provenance, his rather interesting link to history did not. My guess is that if this car had been identified by Gooding as the long-time property of a Titanic survivor, it might have drawn more interest—although it’s hard to say. In any case, this old Stutz holds quite a bit of history. https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/norman-campbell-chambers.html

@TAKerry, I bid on several, and came away with the 1929 Stutz cabriolet (Lot 62). I was an online bidder, so we’ll see what I came away with. A friend of mine saw the car in person and said it had great bones and amazing documentation (owner had it shipped out of Paris in May, 1940 just before the Germans invaded). Anyway, it was fun to watch, even online.

That was a fascinating auction to watch. Several of the cars sold for what I thought was way below market, including a 1919 Stutz. Some of them sold for head-scratchingly high prices. I ended up taking home the 1929 Stutz cabriolet. The story and provenance with that car I think was worth my bid. We’ll see…

I would like to put an overdrive in my 1913 Cadillac four-cylinder. Does anyone have experience with this? Thanks.

I've done a bit of research on this topic. My ALF has ANSI #100 chain (1 1/4" pitch, ten feet long). It currently has Diamond 100XLO chain, which is o-ring chain. This seems to be the important part because o-ring chain is internally and permanently lubricated. The old style chain appears to be more susceptible to wear from dirt and debris, and needs to be cleaned often. The problem, of course, is that quality o-ring chain costs $$$$. However, it is readily available, as is the same type of chain by Morse. But better than having the chain fly off on the road, I suppose.

Anybody have one? Thanks.

Thanks, all, for the ideas.

I'm in the process of getting my 1918 ALF speedster ready for the Great Race. It's currently my backup plan (1932 Auburn Special is primary plan), but starting to look like the head on the Auburn might not be repaired in time. I would like to have a spare set of roller chains and sprockets for the final drive made up. Any thoughts on suppliers, and what kind of roller chain should I order? Thanks much.

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