1912Staver

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About 1912Staver

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  • Birthday 06/30/1958

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  • Location:
    Langley, B.C. Canada
  • Interests:
    Brass era cars, Packard trucks, Vintage racing cars, Sports cars
  1. Help with prices

    I was quite involved with British bikes dating from the early post war period to about 1970 . Generally 500 singles and 500 /650 twins. I was a fan from my youth in the late 1970's up to about the year 2000 when my son was born. About that time traffic conditions and the fate of a number of friends and acquaintances plus my new status as a father caused me to rethink my involvement. An observation / conclusion I came to with regards to which bike to select was that the smaller bikes { 250'3/350's were almost as expensive to restore , were often harder to find parts for, were not nearly as useable as the larger bikes, and generally sold for quite a bit less than the larger bikes when finished. { much less likely to recover cost of restoration}. There are always exceptions especially any of the racing / competition model 250's. But your Motoconfort looks like a fairly standard ,small ,general transportation machine. I am not saying don't restore it, I am sure you can have a very enjoyable time with it. But be carefull how much you spend in the process. I would try to network with other owners as much as possible. You will probably find people with used parts such as wheels and possibly a gas tank that will sell to you at a much lower price than you could possibly restore what you have. I wouldn't worry about making everything perfect, just try to make it a running , rideable bike again. If you like it you can always spend money on appearance related parts later. At least you appear to have both fenders, chainguard, rear rack etc. these are often the hardest parts to find for older bikes. Greg in Canada
  2. Help with prices

    Bikes are a real mixed blessing. As padget points out anything other than nice day rides are unenjoyable. There is a definite increase in risk compared to a car. Almost any MC rider has had close calls and as often as not knows riders who either died or suffered serious injuries while riding. I rode a fair bit in my younger days ; still have a Norton or two in the garage, but I am rarely tempted these days to test my luck. Restoring a motorcycle can be surprisingly expensive, especially the more desirable machines. And as expected the odd balls and orphans can be extremely hard to find parts for. Unlike cars if a so -so example is parted out ;say on ebay, virtually every part will sell. With British bikes at least when you add up the sold prices the total is almost always greater than the intact bike would have been worth. Sometimes quite a bit greater. But yes, they are so much more economical for storage and shop space. And unlike many lower end collector cars most of the average and better ; model wise not condition, bikes are slowly but surely going up in value. At least as fast as inflation if not better in some cases. Greg in Canada
  3. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    I am not saying all the farms in my area look like junkyards , probably less than 10% . However the AG. runoff contamination of the groundwater in my area is a significant concern with residents and government agencies alike. And it is on a scale that is thousands of times larger than contamination from vehicles. I don't drink my well water, and neither do quite a number of others in the area ,the bottled water venders in the area seem to be doing very well. Actually the biggest "blight" in my area is the {as often as not offshore} investors that buy acreages and let them go to rack and ruin. The houses and outbuildings slowly dissolve here in the rainforest . And the whole place is completely taken over by blackberry vines within 5 years or so. Probably 20 property's like this with in a 2 mile radius, and when they sell it is for several million $ and up. Not much chance of 90 % of the area residents coming up with that kind of $. Seems like many of them just become another commodity of global wealth. I doubt many of the owners spend any more time on the property than the 1/2 hour it took deciding to buy it. Greg
  4. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    Since several of the above posts have mentioned the health and safety aspect of old cars I am given to wonder if many of you have any experience living in a mixed Ag. / hobby farm / rural residential area ? I have for the last 25 years and I can assure you there is more concern from a well water / rodent , noise etc. point of view about normal Ag .practices that a bunch of old cars. My property was part of a large { for these parts at least} working dairy farm until it was subdivided off the large parcel in the early 1960's. The farm is still there however it is now producing Blueberry's rather than Dairy products. As well I am more or less surrounded by working farms , hobby farms, and horse properties. There are pockets of rural residential 1 and 2 acre plots as well. The farming operations contribute an astonishing quantity of herbicides , pesticides, antibiotics, manure, spilled diesel fuel, noise , dust etc. to the environment every year. Some of my residential neighbours complain; at times loudly to city hall and the media , but no I don't. I moved here knowing it was a farming area and am happy to live with all the drawbacks. And some of the farms have a pretty sizeable collection of old trucks ,tractors, implements etc, as often as not in very plain view. But in the eyes of everyone ; Township council included , that's just part of a farm. I moved here to have room for my hobby, and paid a premium price for the land to do so. No different than the people a few properties away with about 20 horses. I just don't buy the Idea that 100 old cars poses a dramatic risk to health. Most of them don't look to have rotted to anything near the point where they will be gushing automotive fluids. If these cars represent a serious health risk the city 20 miles to the west of me with its million or so cars of all descriptions must be a true death trap. Greg in Canada
  5. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    SaddleRider, next time you encounter one of these "poor demented souls" send them to my wife, she is a mental healthcare professional. Her schedule is pretty busy however , our local hospital ER sees 5 -10 actual mental health cases a day. Not much capacity in the system for tax paying , property owner, car accumulators. I guess it all those pesky homeless, substance abusing, etc. people making all of the rest of us us suffer the horror of old cars on rural acreages. And no we didn't meet on the job. Greg in Canada
  6. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    Hi auburnseeker and all. I agree about the need for a decent building. I am in fact in the process of building a similar shop to yours. Actually 2 buildings , a very basic 30 x 50 for storage of parts cars , potential project cars and all the other stuff that accumulates over the decades. And once that's done a second 30 x 50 proper shop building for my antique and other "hobby" cars . The daily drivers can sit outside in the rain just like they always have. The small double garage that is built in to the house will morph into my machine shop. Lathe, mill , and all the rest is already in that garage but not set up , just parked along the walls in order to leave space for stuff that will be relocated to the storage building. I should have built the large buildings years ago but life got in the way. I would give a body part for a wooded 7 acre site, in my area that will run about 2 Mill. assuming the house if there is one is a tear down. My lot is just over an acre with a so -so house; the ones the same size, up the road from me with newish houses are 1.75-2.5 mill. Just across the boarder in Washington State {about a 15 Min drive depending on how busy customs are} I could have a bigger property with a similar house for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost. Vancouver Canada costs are nuts. Actually it looks like the "hoarder" has a number of decent sized buildings on his land, I wonder if that's where he keeps all his good cars ? Greg in Canada
  7. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    Matt I am not trying to type cast you as a snob. I am sure in your own area of interest you are just as much a old car guy as I am. And I think your Buick is very nice indeed. By the way these cars are 2500 miles from me each way so I don't really call that a tired excuse. My MG when I bought it in 1977 was in very similar condition to these "derelicts" and part of a loose group of cars that had at that time been sitting for several years. I still have the 1972 plate that was on it when I bought it. It took several months of work to make it drivable again. A second much rougher MGA from the same group was my parts car for a long time. Quite similar to these cars. I don't hate dealers, I simply can't afford the sort of cars they generally handle. If the right car was being sold at the right price I would not hesitate buying from a dealer. I know you are very knowledgeable about old cars, and involved with the hobby as well as the old car market. Really my only point of difference with you is your insistence in calling the man a hoarder and your insistence that the cars are valueless. P.S , I have a 17 year old son . Cars from the 80's like Jetta's are actually quite popular with his demographic at least around here. Definitely not my preference but they are young. Greg in Canada
  8. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    Several years ago my wife and I attended a British Car show in my downright scruffy driver MGA. As we entered the parking lot one of the persons directing traffic asked if we would park with the other MG's on display . I was hesitant but he assured me people like to see cars that are actually driven rather than being simply showpieces. So I lined up with all the shiny MGA's and a similar scruffy driver MGTD was placed on one side of me. Know what , the two down at the heals MG's got more interest than any of the shiny ones. I was engaged by a seemingly endless stream of onlookers that wanted to know all about the car, it's travels and history. The shiny ones were for the most part glanced at and walked past. Greg in Canada
  9. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    Matt, like I said in my earlier post I get your point ..to a point. The old car hobby is a very broad spectrum, very broad indeed. Your particular thing is very nice shiny , easily re-sellable vintage cars . In a neat tidy building and probably used in a neat tidy way. Not all of us can participate in the hobby at this level. And indeed not all of us even want to. There is a huge world wide interest in diamonds in the rough, call them barn finds, junk yard dogs, car hoards , whatever. The owners of very shiny cars are often perceived as fussy and uptight by many people who are none the less true old car guys. Same holds true of many civic officials. It's a big old car world. Diverse in the extreme. And old car collections are also very diverse. And yes there are several cars in this mans collection that I would be happy to give a home to except they are more or less on the other side of the Continent. Just because they are not in dazzling condition does not mean they are not of interest to collectors. Perhaps no interest to the old car trade, but certainly of interest to many of the rest of us. Actually there are a couple of MGA parts cars in my front yard right now. Definitely not in sight from my neighbors yard. My wife keeps mentioning they would make a nice planter. P.S. , Great video Xander! Makes me want to have 10 Acres in Cali. Greg in Canada
  10. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    I get your point Matt, up to a point. Were you not the person 2 years ago advising us that BMW 2002's were the car to buy. Looks like there are a few in this group. I think that many of the cars in this mans yard are definitely better than cars to be recycled. Yes, we can't save them all . But what is anyone going to do with a good one without similar model parts cars being in existence. I don't know how much work you have done on imported cars , but parts cars are nearly essential . I always try to buy at least 2 parts cars for every good car I own, and I keep the parts cars intact as long as possible. If you own a older imported collector car ; assuming you regularly drive it, then sooner or later you are going to need a parts car. If you don't own one yourself then you will soon be making the owner of one quite a bit wealthier. To some of us this won't matter, but not all of us are rich. If you dismantle things and scrap the shell you soon have a very large pile of parts to deal with, easier and better to leave them intact. I am deep into a 1966 Lotus Cortina. 20 years ago I could have bought any number of parts car MK 1 Cortina's for peanuts. These days anything MK 1 is gold. And I find myself paying hefty prices to replace things I would have probably at one time thrown or gave away myself. Just my opinion, Greg
  11. Unknown 1912 era car, ID requested.

    How bout a 1911/ or 12 Columbia ? Steering box details are correct . And hubs as far as I can tell very close. The one in the photo is a well known gem. However it was restored from a basket case many years ago and rebodied so some details could be slightly off. Also the one in the photo is a pony toneau while the one in Layden's photo looks like a standard touring. This may also account for some of the body differences.
  12. But Is It Really A Blight Issue?

    Not valuable vintage cars but most appear to be cars with strong followings. The big problem is being able to sell so many so fast. No doubt given more time most could be placed with enthusiast owners. Civic officials tend to be people with very little understanding of the old car hobby. You know the type, everything neat, tidy, ordered , sterile. Greg in Canada
  13. Unknown 1912 era car, ID requested.

    If it is a McLaughlin it's probably a 1912 Model 43. But I can't find a photo of one. The steering box {and entire chassis} will be the same as Buick's Model 43 for 1912 so someone might have a photo or catalog illustration that will provide more info. Probably very few McL. 43 's built , do any survive ? Like Buick they generally used Baker rims , but with McLaughlin the customer could probably order any wheel on the market. The big model McLaughlin's were pretty much made to whatever spec. the customer wanted. Greg in Canada
  14. Hi , I am interested in the small Staver emblem. Could you provide a photo of both sides. Thanks Greg
  15. Identify car in woods

    Too bad you found it 40 years too late. I am surprised the right side is so much worse than the left. I would have thought they would both decay at a similar rate. Another decade or two and it will be all but gone. Mind you if it was a Talbot Lago someone would pay you $100,000.00 and restore it. Unfortunately as nice as a Reo Royale might be I doubt this one has a future. Keep hiking, there may be more. Greg in Canada