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  1. 19 points
    This past Friday I boarded an American Airlines plane for DFW connecting to Calgary, final destination Kelwona, BC. As is obvious from my handle I have a 1938 Buick Roadmaster Model 80C the convertible Sedan (of Phaeton as Buick referred to it) . What you may not know is that my father has 1938 Roadmasters as well. A Model 81 (Trunk back sedan) and a Model 81F (Formal sedan with divider window and the rarest of the 4 Roadmaster models produced). So that's 3 of the 4 '38 Roadmaster Model...The 4th is a Model 87, the sport sedan AKA a slant back sedan. Buick made 466 Model 87's in 1938 exporting ZERO. In approximately 15 years of looking I have come across 6 left know to exist. Some of you may be aware that you can save a search within Google and Google will email you if it finds new web pages with your search result. I have several setup searching for various Buick related rarities. In July of this year I got a result back on my Model 87 search, A model 87 for sale on Kijiji. The link was no longer valid but through google search results I determined that the car for sale was the same one I had documented for sale in 2011 and determined the phone number in the current ad ( no longer able to be viewed except in the search results) was the same as the one i had saved in 2011. A call to the owner and the car was indeed still for sale but the owner had gone on extended holiday and would not return until mid Sept. Side bar: My father at age 38 bought what is now my 80C...the original NYC sold car had made its way to North Bay, Ontario, Canada. My own 38th birthday passed and though I didn't forget about the car it was on the back burner of my mind until while coaching my son's soccer game I got a call and a VM. Long story short pictures were sent and agreement in principle made and the process of importing this car back into the US begun. History: The seller has owned the car for half his life and half the car's life ...39 years...he acquired the car in Guam. Apparently it was a Southern California car that was imported to Guam by an illicit drug dealer who forfeited the car during the seizure of his assets once he was caught. The seller eventually imported the car back to Oregon where it resided for many years and subsequently moving to British Columbia. The seller offered to trailer the car to the Border crossing at Sumas, WA. My plan was to then drive it from Sumas to a location in Seattle area where I could then have it transported back (less a border crossing) to NC. Where in Seattle was the question. A quick scan of the Roster and a PM to the Forum's own Brian Laurence (Centurion) and i had a destination. 150 miles in an 80 year old car I've never seen but in pictures and never driven. As the weekend approached I began to realize I'm out of my mind to do it, but it's gonna be a great adventure none the less. I packed up my tools, a tow rope, spare fan belt and other supplies. I considered the possibility of bringing a spare generator, starter, etc. and decided that would just be too much weight to carry for a car the seller swears would make it the journey no problem. So I checked my bag, something a I rarely do despite traveling a LOT for work ( any tool of 7" must be checked per TSA) and off I went to Dallas. And then the fun begins... We landed in Dallas about 10-15 minutes ahead of schedule, for which I was delighted as it was going to be a tight connection. HOWEVER, another plane was in our gate so 20 minutes after our scheduled arrival time we disembarked. For those of you familiar with DFW, it is HUGE, and i not only had to switch gates, but switch terminals (on the complete opposite side of the airport). So off to the races I went. I swear it had to be a mile run ( I just checked it on Google Earth and my path was 0.80 of a mile). About 2/3 of the way to my gate I hear the final boarding call for my flight to Calgary. I yelled at an unoccupied gate agent I was passing to call to my gate and let them know I was almost there. Boarding the plane last I got a large glass of water from the attendant and settled in to my first class upgrade seat for the 4 hr flight to Calgary. It was at that moment I realize that it was wonderful that I made it, surley my bag on a more direct path would make it too. A quick interrogation of the flight attended revealed that there were in fact waiting on ONE MORE BAG. Surely that was mine...the airlines ap has a bag tracker lets see what that says....Last update: "Loaded in Charlotte"...hmm. wait 2 minutes reload...Last update: Arrived in Dallas 5:25PM...Its 535PM ok that was 10 minutes ago, they are waiting for a bag i'm good...boarding door closes...update...hmm...update...ok supposed to have this phone off...update.... ok on the runway better turn it off...and we're off. Larger portable electronics are now free to be used...update...Last update: Arrived in Dallas 5:25PM. That update did not change until well into the following day ( more on that later). So 4 hours and many beverages later (at one point the stewardess had me double fisting, Amaretto in one hand and Tito's in the other) I had to formulate a new plan as i knew my bag would never make it to Kelowna in time as i had arrange for the seller to pick me up at my hotel 8AM the next morning and I knew i was on the last flights to Calgary and Kelowna and no earlier flights existed either. Well I'd just have to do it with out tools and if I ran into trouble I had my BCA roster and a AAA card...The rest of the day went without indecent (except for no phone signal in Canada) and I arrived at my hotel at midnight pacific time 3AM my time. I filed a lost bag claim in there as well and asked they either send my bag on to Seattle or back to CLT. The seller and his wife picked me up at 8AM sharp and off we went on the roughly hour and 40 min drive back to his house and the location of the car. Here are some photos from along the way. Merritt, BC in the Nicola Valley Welcome to Merritt! We arrived at the sellers house which was chock full of neat stuff and beside the '38 he had a 65 T-bird Convertible, a 51 Chrysler, a 40 Packard 110 and a few 70s era trucks. I looked the car over, test drove it and got ready to load it up for the border...Hey where is the spare tire, it's not in the trunk?? oh there isn't one... so no tools, no spare and we are behind schedule so I'll be running out of daylight at the end of the journey... ok I can do this, no worries. So we loaded up Seller had LOT of unique stuff Shortly after we depart the seller asks his wife if she has their passports. I thought this odd and inquired why they needed their passports and if they were going into the US after they drop me at the border. "We're taking you all the way to Puyallup". You're what? I thought you were only taking me to the border and I was on my own from there? "Well you can do that if you want, but we planned to take you all the way." I quickly considered my predicament and as much as I wanted to enjoy my planned country drive through northwestern Washington state, the thought of having to brave traffic looming in Seattle, and the lack of the various items I would need in case of a break down made it an easy choice. Here are some photos from along the journey from Merritt, BC to Sumas, WA and eventually at the border. US Border at Sumas, WA We, as I assumed, hit traffic on the 405 around Seattle, creeping past the site of the 2007 BCA National Meet and eventually Mt. Rainier off in the distance. More traffic in Renton, but at 6:15 with darkness setting in we arrived, unloaded and tucked the new treasure in Brian/Centurion's garage. Brian had some friends over for game night and it was fun to meet all of them, some who seemed quite shocked that I would travel all the way from NC for a car... Brian lent me his 96 Riv to get to my hotel and back, great car...and that blue is one of my favorites of that era Buick The next morning after breakfast Brian took me on a tour of Tacoma's amazing architecture and Historic Auto Row, after that we left for the airport and I was home to CLT around 9PM, my whirlwind weekend finally over. My bag however eventually made it to Calgary...from Calgary it somehow got to LAX and arrived in Charlotte today I hoping I get frequent flier miles for my bag as well as my own journey... Griot's Garage in a former Coca-Cola bottling plant The original auto row in Tacoma Mueller- Harkins original Buick dealership above and floor of it below. Mueller-Harkins eventually replaced their original store with this circa late 40's early 50's dealership a few blocks away Love the Terrazzo!! Brian said this neighboring building was the DeSoto dealership. Certainly a trip to remember and while not quite as eventful as my father's journey to Canada to get my 80C no less epic. Many many thanks to Brian/Centurion and family for their amazing hospitality. The BCA and the forum are lucky to have such a amazing man in our midst. That's it for tonight tomorrow I will post some photos of the car itself. It's certainly not a 400 pt piece, but it will be enjoyed!
  2. 17 points
    I recently involved in the sale of a large collection of cars. I saw classic outstanding vintage cars nestled in with simple inexpensive cars in all shapes and condition. A massive collection of over 300 cars. There seemed to be no order, no theme. I talked with the manager, Jeff who had maintained these cars for about 24 years. This was the Collection of S. Truett Cathy, Founder of Chick-fil-a. Jeff asked Truett why he was buying so many different cars, and Truett responded, "For Investments." That made sense to Jeff. Investments in classic cars can often bring great rewards. But Jeff noticed that Truett had bought a car and paid much too much. Very much more than the possible value. Jeff thought he should mention this "mistake" to Truett? Maybe Truett didn't know he paid too much? But Truett had brought a small restaurant into a multi-billion dollar business and Truett had told Jeff that he was buying cars as investments and this made no sense to Jeff. Fortunately, Jeff needed to get some paperwork from the seller and the seller mentioned that Truett had really "blessed him." He went on to say that he had cancer. He was broke and could not continue treatments until Truett bought his car giving him enough money to pay his bills and get additional treatment and he was now cancer-free. Jeff realized that when Truett Cathy spoke about investments, he meant investments in people. The money flowed as well, but Truett Cathy's business was based on investments in people. Think about this if you happen to be in a Chick-fil-a restaurant. It is an enjoyable place for happy employees serving an experience. People connecting with people. It pays great dividends. Investments.
  3. 15 points
    We need some positive posts on the Forum. The Buick Club is a great club with great people and this thread will prove that. This past month I've been helped by 4 BCA members and I want to thank them for what they have done for me and I invite you to thank a BCA member who has done you right. I'll start in chronological order for the past month 1. Lamar Brown - I asked if Lamar would be interested in trailering my 80C to Hershey. Without hesitation he was on board and sacrificed his time and drove significant distance to help me finally have my 80C on the showfield at Hershey 2. Bob Coker - When we found Lamar's trailer was just a hair to small for my 80C he lent Lamar and I truck and trailer to get to Hershey. 3. Brian Laurance - I asked Brian if I could store a to be purchase Buick at his place while I arranged for transportation back east. Without hesitation he agreed and then proceeded to remove his own car from his garage so mine could be inside and give me a tour historic dealership buildings of Tacoma. 4. Paul Haddock - Paul offered up his truck and trailer to me so I could take my 80C to Hilton Head for the Concours. While I've sent a personal thank you to each of them, I want to publicly thank them as well for their assistance. And while this is just a few great BCA members who've done something in the past month I can think of numerous others I owe a thank you to ( Ben Bruce, Brian Clark, Dave Berquist, Dave Tachney, and John Kilbane are a few that come to mind). Which BCA member has done you right and deserves a thank you???
  4. 14 points
    As some of you know I had been accepted to the Concours in Boca and Pinehurst failing to make it to either due to various mechanical issues attempting to drive to each event. If not here are links to those to threads. So for the Hilton Head Concours D'Eelegance I broke down (instead of the Buick) and borrowed a truck and trailer from a local Carolina Chapter BCA Member, Paul Haddock, and trailered the Buick to the show. Here are some photos from the event. A big thank you to Paul for letting me borrow his rig! My detailer getting the car ready for the show A few of the cars in my class. The red '37 Imperial won Best in Class Carol Hughes's 54 Buick took a Palmetto Award in Class, Beautiful car with Factory AC Here are some of my favorite non-Buick's of the show After lunch I came back to find this hanging from my rear view mirror Driving on to the awards field Let me take a selfie! Back in my spot Headed home!!
  5. 13 points
    Fall is winding down here, and it actually snowed a little bit yesterday. It's certainly been cold! But today was another bright, crisp, sunny day and had a chance to get the 56 out for a breakfast run. After reading the positive review on this place on Sunday, Ed and I decided to meet here: When I pulled in I thought I was lucky to get this spot in front for a picture. But then I realized the place was closed on Tuesdays. Just my luck! So when Ed arrived we cruised over to another spot in town and got a nice parking spot right in front anyway. It was great to get the car out !
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    Last week in Cyprus as winter approaches, tourists gone , be tucking up Ruby this week , so made the best of this week end , Saturday went to beach restaurant , but season finished , deserted , but still did a good omelette and fries. Today in U.K. Is Remembrance Day , Here in Cyprus the brits held a memorial service for the 400 British soldiers killed here in 50s and 60s by EOKA Greek terrorists. Ruby wore a poppy .Had a nice lunch in Turkish restaurant, fresh sea bass , starters and wine only $25 total , but obviously a bit sombre , my dad was 8th army in North Africa WW2, looked after Sherman tanks which were American. cheers pilgrim
  7. 13 points
    RED (Remember Everyone Deployed) Friday HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARINES and don’t forget Veterans Day tomorrow
  8. 13 points
    Springfield Motors Buick dealership, Springfield, Oregon My wife and I were returning home from a road trip to some of the great national parks in the California Sierra Nevada range. Last Saturday morning, we crossed Willamette Pass Highway over the Oregon Cascades, and planned for lunch in the Eugene area. I spotted the sign to the Historic Downtown District of neighboring Springfield, and remembered that there was an old Buick dealership in the area. Following lunch at the The Plank, we drove a couple of blocks to the dealership, constructed in 1949 for Clarence Scherer. The dealership design incorporated features from the 1944 Buick Building Layout Guide, and the structure remains much the same 68 years later. While not as grand as some of the mid-century dealerships built in larger cities, the building has been meticulously maintained, and was named to the National Register of Historic Places in 2011. Springfield Motors is one of only about thirty remaining stand-alone Buick dealerships in the USA, and carries a large inventory of new Buicks. This was surprising, in view of the West Coast dominance by Asian and German automotive brands. The salesman with whom we talked, Victor, has been an employee since 1984, and conveys enthusiasm for Buick and the dealership's history. The dealership remains in the Scherer family, operated by Clarence's son. A glimpse into the service area revealed a superb, original 1966 Skylark GS convertible, traded in by one of Clarence's customers in 1967, and preserved ever since. I noticed right away the rarely seen 1966 GM headrest option! My accompanying photos show some of the enlarged photos from the showroom walls, including an image of the 1949 Roadmaster convertible that graced the showroom floor when the dealership was opened. I was particularly interested in the image of a 1949 Buick sedanette and a 1959 Buick Electra, photographed when the dealership was ten years old. A glass display case is filled with Buick brochures and promotional model cars from the 1950's and early 1960's. Clarence's father, Otto, opened a Buick dealership in Palmyra, Wisconsin in 1910, and some of the showroom images are historic photos of the early Buick dealership. Victor eagerly pointed out the large photos of Louis Chevrolet and the early Buick Racing Team. All of this was tremendously exciting, and I offered an early suggestion regarding a celebration of the dealership's 70th anniversary in 2019. What a great opportunity to gather vintage Buicks from around the Pacific Northwest to recognize this dealership's long-term dedication to Buick. I can only hope that the folks at General Motors who have been entrusted with the Buick brand can be as passionate about Buick as the folks at Springfield Motors.
  9. 13 points
    Yup, last Saturday we went to lunch with friends in this 1938 Buick Special...
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    Happy Halloween from Buick Gardens. Sorry this is about as scary as it gets here.
  11. 12 points
    Show me pics of your cars with the changing leaves please, and tell me your state. #Oregon
  12. 12 points
    Is that a 92 Buick Century?
  13. 11 points
    Monday November 13, 2017 to Wednesday November 15, 2017: Front Fenders, Running Boards, Fender Lamps and Bumper Irons The past three days was all about getting the front fenders from the paint shop, transporting them home, prepping them and finally today installing them onto the car. Monday morning. At this point, I already picked up the passenger's side fender, and the driver's side is getting sanded in preparation for the machine polish. Tuesday morning, the fender was ready and I bought it home. You need two people to transport these things around. Especially after they are painted! Once back in my garage, I first measured the welting for the rear section. I used this really great double backed tape to affix the welt to the fender. This stuff is easily molded around the bends and curves and holds tight. I started the welting at the bottom, and slowly carried it around the bends. Here it is installed with the tape holding it firm. I think I went too far with it, but I'll custom trim it to fit the hood once I get to that point. Using this Copper-Eze, I ran a fender bolt into every hole to be sure they were all tapped, clean and wouldn't fight me. I did the five rear bolts that go into the body, the front five into the clip and the three that run through the chassis rail. This morning, all set up. I was waiting for John to come over to help me lift the fenders into position. First, we laid out all the fasteners so they were easily reached when holding the fender. Team lift. My car has three studs up front where the front fender support bolts to the chassis. I aimed for the studs and allowed the fender to rest there while I started running some bolts in. While John held the rear, I was able to start the front clip bolts. Only finger tight. Then got the five rear body bolts inserted, everything finger tight only. Repeat for the other side, then install the fender support iron loosely at the frame, while inserting the nut and bolt that secure it to the outer fender edge. Before tightening the fender support iron, we went to the other side and installed the same outer fender edge bolt. So, at this point, the only tight bolts are the outer fender bolt under the front lip of the fenders. Everything else is still finger tight. Then it was back and forth: Front support iron L and R, rear support iron L and R, front clip L side, then front clip R side, all 5 rear bolts L, then R and finally the three chassis bolts. (We had the entire front clip only "finger tight" before we started this fender installation so everything could move and line up as needed.) All told, there are 20 bolts that affix the fenders to the body: 5 into the body cage nuts at the rear of the fender 5 into the front clip 3 into the chassis 3 hold the front fender support iron to the frame (radiator frame) 1 into the outer edge fender support (that same front fender support iron) 2 hold the rear support iron to the firewall brackets 1 holds the front clip to the top of the fender where the hood drops down. Once the fenders were installed and tight, we moved on to the running boards. In a previous post, I went through the running board restoration and all the hardware used. We determined it was much easier to mount the chassis support irons first. So, we removed them from the underside of the running boards and secured the irons to the frame. Keeping everything loose under there, it was easy to get the running boards aligned to the car. Again, we installed the running boards, but kept the bolts only finger tight so I can make all final adjustments when I install the rear fenders. The restored running boards look great. They add so much to the car! I restored the fender lamps previously, so installation was a breeze. New rubber grommet and run the wire through the fender iron and into the engine compartment. It's really starting to look Buick! Classic And finally.... Starting with the original bumper support iron nuts and bolts, I was once again at the wire wheel..... And again, scrubbed in acetone, primed and painted gloss black. Slide the bumper rubber seals into position and align the iron to the chassis holes. Get everything aligned and bolted tight. Then I installed the Trippe Lights onto the bumper irons. I looked at them from every angle to be sure the lenses were at the same forward position, the same angle, the same distance from center..... And so, the day ends. Nice day. It's nice to be back! Have a great night out there! Gary
  14. 11 points
    Nice day down here in central Texas. Put the carb back on the car after a rebuild and went for a ride among the cattle and horse ranches. Ended up at a distillary that my wife like and bought her some Prickly Pear Moonshine. Car ran better then it ever has in the 2 or 3 years I have owned it.
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    Hi All Hot Spring day here in Australia. As promised I have attached a few photos of our "Chromefest", held 20 minutes drive from my home. Lots of stalls and entertainment and of course lots of cars. All American cars are welcome with a 1978 limit on local models, over 400 cars, far too many to capture! Here is a taste Cheers Paul
  17. 11 points
    My Plymouth in the driveway yesterday.
  18. 10 points
    Thanks for the good times my friend, you were more like a brother than a friend. They told him three and a half years ago he would likely not make it til Thanksgiving. Every year that passed he'd always exclaim "Hell they forgot tell me WHICH Thanksgiving" Sadly it looks like it is this one. Another favorite "If I'd known I was gonna live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself" and "I didn't mean to get old, it just crept up on me" Bob- Turn left Me - But the GPS lady said turn right Bob - &%*$(*# the GPS lady turn left Bob, 10 miles down the road - Why are you going back where we just came from, you need to listen to the GPS lady. Below are some rare photos, you had to either catch him off guard or beg this guy to pose for a picture always that devilish grin... and you could never take your eye off him..... PROGOOFOFF, a true BUICKMAN if ever there was one
  19. 10 points
    Ah, the question of parking. But before I get to that, a comment on membership. In my case, 20 some years ago, it was all about the invitation. A real invitation from one person to another face-to-face to go for a ride, come to an event or club meeting or tour and then the follow-up when these guests arrive and then the introductions to other members, made by you, the host. Yes, make a fuss about these guests. Use all the manners your mother taught (most of) you. I can recall clear as day Danny Manner doing this for me at the local and national BCA levels and Ted Bunnell and John Tarleton doing this for me at the VMCCA/AACA. I always think of them and how welcoming they made me feel, even without a Buick at first, when I have invited others and do the same since. I tell the new-bee, join the club first, the good cars are in the club and the club members know where the not-so-good cars and trucks are too that have been for sale forever (or every year). In the mean time, run-what-ya-brung (we all did that once upon a time too, remember?, don't look down your nose at them) or let them jump in the back seat of our car for a ride. This ride-and-smile is easier for us who choose to drive our cars, not picking on the trailer crowd, you folks will just have to work harder. I give away every Bugle after I've read it several times. 'Here, take these and read them'. Best take-away perk/gift we have. Thank you Pete Phillips. Parking. How did this come up again? LOL. As I get older and become my Dad, a story to end this post. A certain BCA'r, let's call him 'Brian' drove to a BCA National Meet in a state, oh let's just say, 'Indiana'. Parking was not much fun, with a fence to hop or walk way around to see all the cars, even though there was lots of room on the one side of the fence, so 'Brian' parked with his Buick friends on the other side of the fence. Pretty soon, 'Brian' was asked to move, and not too nicely either. Being a quick thinker and sizing up the expert, 'Brian' claimed 'vapor lock'. For the next 20 minutes, we received a very good dissertation on vapor lock, not that the Buick had it, all the while staying in our shaded lawn chairs, attentive and polite, but stationary, both driver and car. We even offered him a cold drink. Class ended and the expert moved on wondering how 'Brian' ever drove 250 miles to the show field in a car that vapor locked when only driving a quarter mile from the driven lot behind the fence to the show field. Well, it was hot out. Not too long after that, another request was made by another that 'Brian' and the Buick move, at least this guy was nicer than the first. Ready for round two, 'Brian' had the crank out from underneath the back seat. Now it was never stated the Buick would not start, and we never asked the second fellow to place the crank on the engine, he just picked it up and started cranking. And cranking, all the while telling us about the tractor he grew up with as a kid. He also never asked if the fuel petcock was 'on' but he did check the ignition lever, several times. This round only took 10 minutes of hand cranking the big six, but a nice crowd had formed and we answered lots of questions by interested onlookers about early Buicks. As the crowd grew, those now three and four deep around the Buick, were invited for rides around the show field. The crank was put away, the ignition turned on, and the fuel petcock opened and away we went with a tap of the starter pedal. Nothing like a cool breeze of an open car with the windshield cocked open on a hot day on the pavement. Expert #1 and #2 soon returned and were again thanked for their assistance but their comment was the best. 'Hey, the people really seem to like to go for rides, how long you planning to do this?' Well said 'Brian', I hate to turn it off, it may not start again, and if it vapor locks, we'll be really screwed, look at that line'.
  20. 10 points
    After posting various photos in the "Favorite Pictures of My Pre War Buick" thread, I decided it was time to start my own thread. I got this car in March of 2017, and I know very little about its history. It appears to be an older restoration of a solid original car. I will start out with some photos (some of which have already been posted in the other thread).
  21. 9 points
    AACA - Texas Region meeting at a member's "car barn" in Decatur, TX today - about 60 miles from home. It was a beautiful clear and cool day, so the meeting was well attended and a number of members drove their club cars. Hope you enjoy the photos of some of the cars.
  22. 9 points
    So a rare editorial was published in this month''s BUGLE, written by Larry Schramm, Pre-war guru, and I helped him with the latest acquisition last weekend, a 1908 Model F! So, what do you think about Larry's editorial, much of what has been said before but what do you really think? This is the problem with all clubs is it not? Figure it out and you are a hero for all! Here's the article:
  23. 9 points
    We took our 68 Riviera to the Carolina Collector Auto Fest car show in Raleigh, NC this past weekend. We took home the "Best Buick" trophy. We went home pretty pleased with ourselves and the Riviera. (yes that 1970 Cuda convertible next to us is fully restored and is gorgeous!)
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    An absolutely amazing individual who will be very missed. Here is Bob At Charlotte AutoFair in 2011 winning Best of Autofair with the Famous '54 Landau
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    Hi yes its not in USA , i am lokated in Nothern Sweden , the garage is 8*12 meter , and i have floor heating , and its isolated so i have 20'Celsius also on the winter , , the winter is so damn loooong here ... But when you have a garage and plenty of Buicks so it's ok ... Bt
  29. 9 points
    JD, I think there may be an error in your math. If I understand it correctly, there are about 7,000 BCA members. With 300-600 members at a National, I think we are in the 5-10% range rather than less than one. I didn't want to wade into this - I prefer Brian's approach. First, I'm not sure there is a big emphasis on judging. Perhaps it is a perceived emphasis to those who don't have their beautiful Buicks judged. Yes, there are more resources put toward the awards and banquet presentations, but having a Buick judged costs more on the registration so that should cover those resources. Our Reatta hasn't been judged so it typically hasn't been parked with the rest of the herd. I'm not sure if that is good or bad, but it doesn't feel inclusive. If they were parked by year, the four years the Reatta was produced would have them all relatively close to each other regardless of judging class. The Modified group is probably the biggest issue. I understand them being parked separately for judging as they are judged differently and cover a wide range of years. However, parking in their own group also leads to segregation, which isn't necessarily good. I understand the BCA has had greater membership in the past. The question is what is the trend and is that trend also seen across other groups. My understanding is that the younger generation is less likely to join something like a car club. Are we just chasing our tails in a circle if we are trying to fight demographic trends? I think there is room for everyone in the club, especially if we are tolerant of those who don't want exactly the same thing from the club as we as individuals do. We are all different. Some have one Buick they enjoy that may be in "poor" condition. Others have one high dollar Buick...and they may feel they are protecting it by enclosing it in a trailer. Others enjoy their Buicks by driving them - assuming they are friendly with other humans, they can be true ambassadors of the club and hobby. Others among us have a disease of accumulating Buicks (especially when we think we need to put up yet another building) and getting to the point where they don't necessarily get enough exercise and issues don't get addressed in a timely fashion, resulting in a variation of Larry's drive, break, fix, repeat to drive, break, put it away and use another car, then hopefully someday fix, repeat, or something along those lines. Alternatively if one breaks, you can buy another (I did behave myself for a few years). There's probably more, but I'm tired and the glass of rye is empty so bed beckons.
  30. 9 points
    I'm concerned about this "Keiser31" character. I think he must be a computer program for sure. No mere human has that much knowledge.
  31. 9 points
    For the past couple of years I have made a point of not giving my opinion but this is just too important of several issues to as my wife would say JUST SHUT UP. Ok I wont. Larry Schramm raises several issues and when I was on the BOD these issues came up every year. The parking issue came to a head in South Bend in 2013. There were some down right rude members on each side. I took a stand and came away bloody. I still have the same stand although it doesn't mean anything. Simply put we all drive Buicks and some are almost worshiped and some should be left in a dirt field rusting away. Judging is very important for the new member who has never had a car judged. It is very important to that owner. For some members who have taken cars to a several meets and has had it judged year after year judging does not mean as much. I think some members just want to have their car judged so they have a better place to park. All Buicks on the show field should be displayed by Year so an owner who is trying to restore a car they can see the progress that have been made year to year. I don't think that we can compare the Ford Meet to the Buick meet. If we want to compare Ford meet to something it would need to be compared to General Motors not just one Brand. Larry made a point to allow a Buick in any condition to be included in the national meet and I have to agree 101% Simply put ITS A BUICK IT BELONGS. The point was also made that the new member award should be members that are just that members. I agree that a business that have access to a lot of names should note be eligible to win the award I like that Pete put the disclaimer also in the Bugle because there are members who like to pick flies out of a pile of S>>> make that garbage. Thanks Pete. I think the article was well written and I hope it will get members to think about some things that can be changed and some that cant. It is so very critical that we find a way to gain new members but we need to find a way to RETAIN new members. Yes members should be willing to share how the cars drive or just simply sit in one. I remember one meet I was treated like a 2nd class member when he pulled his car out of the trailer and he was not happy that his car was on a slight slope and his car did not sit totally level and there were some small rocks in the show field and he didn't want to pick the rocks out of his tires. Oh well he had it judged and then back in the trailer. No body really saw the car, but he got another award.. Just a quick head scratcher from me..Why are we paying the BOD more money. I always thought that $500.00 was a good deal. I remember how I felt when I tried to get a Scholarship to get some younger folks involved but that was not to be. I was told that the BOD would like to revisit that issue and I am still waiting. What does the BCA have for a GIVE BACK TO THE MEMBERS? The next election lets make sure we elect someone who has the clubs best interest in mind and not someone who just wants the travel money. . I can only guarantee everybody one thing I wont be running. I love sitting in the parking lot drinking beer, its much more fun I would like to challenge all members running for the BOD to respond to a set of questions that are important to the BCA. Everyone running should have their answers published in the Bugle then maybe members would have more information to make a decision. The bios that is printed in the Bugle in April each year is everybody running trying to pat them selves on the back My hat is off to Larry he made a stand. Thanks
  32. 9 points
    Taken at Lake Rotoiti NZ during the NZ Packard Clubs National Rally in 2014. Sorry there are no Autumn(Fall) colours(colors). Packards at Lake Rotoiti 2014.html
  33. 9 points
    Drove the '15 truck over to the workshop for the winter repairs and maintenance. Bright sunny day, but a little bit chilly. 37deg F/ 3deg C today. Now out to repack wheel bearings on the trailer.
  34. 9 points
    So I was out a few miles from home this afternoon. Haven’t had time to crop them yet. A bit late in the season. I think I got some good ones though. Caught my shadow in a few. #yamhilloregonwinecountry
  35. 9 points
  36. 9 points
    Things are still green around here........
  37. 9 points
    I don't believe that's true. I have a friend with a totally unrestored early 20's car, he put it in the regular class to be judged, and received an award, second Junior I believe. I know the argument that all HPOF cars need to be in one place for judging, but I'd rather see all cars placed in their class, restored or not....makes for very interesting comparisons between original and restored cars....
  38. 8 points
    that whole post talks about investments and cars as the things to buy to make $. I worked my whole life to buy an old car(s) because they give me pleasure to look at, drive, smell (leather, old mohair etc) and yes work on as well. The satisfaction of pride of ownership, and that an 80+ year old car (I collect pre war) can still go down the road as it was made to I think is the reason most of us collect and own the cars we have. They have survived scrap drives, abuse, harsh weather conditions , neglect, but yet here they still are and here we are as caretakers. That article addresses none of that. Everyone has things that they do or own that make them feel at the end of the day. Old cars are what do it for us. I live right next to (for over 60 years) one of the major horse race tracks in the USA, the site of the third and final race of the annual Triple Crown of racing, people say to me "you must be there all the time" I tell them, I have been there exactly 4 times, and each time was to celebrate some historic anniversary. I have never placed a bet, wouldn't know how to. They are taken aback when I say that and start to shake their head in wonder when I then add "I'd rather spend my $ on a rusty old car part, old toy or some period car literature" My personal investment in old or collectible cars is because it makes me feel good as well as a lot of other people who I may take for a ride, or wave at when they stare as I drive by. You can't put a price on a smile on someones face including mine.
  39. 8 points
    I continue to be shocked by people with garages full of toy cars complaining about the $50-100 it takes to belong to a club catering to those cars. Seriously? But to go back to the original subject and how to get new members, I don't think there's any single answer. People aren't trying the club and deciding it isn't for them; they're just not bothering. Making it cheaper or changing the magazine or how cars are arranged at shows or who does the judging won't shift membership numbers in a notable way. I think I have a better view than most into the demographics and motivations of today's hobbyists and the truth is, we all gravitate towards cars that not only interest us, but cars that have an emotional connection. My father drove a 1941 Buick when I was a kid, so that's what I collect. I was exposed to the Full Classics as a child so those are what I aspired to when I grew older. My father had a 1968 Camaro SS396 convertible when I was a kid (he bought it new) but all I recall of that car was that we called it "the clunker." I don't care for muscle cars, although they're closer to what my generation might have connected with. It's all about exposure, and usually at a young age. What I'm saying is that when a 30- or 40-something walks into my shop and says he's thinking about getting an "old" car, he's initially pretty open. My first move is usually to show him a flathead V8 Ford. Good performance, good looks, fun to drive, good club support, good parts availability, and reasonably priced. Then they ask me about horsepower and speed and I say, "Well, about 100 horsepower and 60 MPH." Their eyes glaze over and they wander over and look at the 1969 Camaro or 1966 GTO or 2007 Corvette sitting on the other side of the showroom. There's no touchstone there, no connection to cars of the '30s and '40s, but even if they weren't around in the '60s, they can at least understand those cars and know they have modern performance. It is a very, VERY hard proposition to make to younger people. They have no frame of reference, no understanding that going fast and getting there quickly isn't the point. Hell, I just sold a 1993 Cadillac Allante to a couple, and the wife was losing her mind that it didn't have side airbags and automatic braking protection and a back-up camera and all the other safety stuff that comes on a modern car. Get over yourself, lady. The world isn't that dangerous. But she literally thought that it was unsafe to drive a car without those things. How to combat that kind of thinking? When I take my 1929 Cadillac to the local cruise night, people are flat-out FLABBERGASTED that I'm actually able to, you know, drive it. The next guy who says it should have a big block Chevy in it "just so you can use it" is going to get punched. Larry has exactly the right idea by putting his older vehicles in front of people and actually letting them experience it first hand. That's why I take the old cars to the cruise nights so people can see that they work like real cars. When I tell them that my '41 Buick will cruise all day at 65 MPH, they're flat-out stunned. A great many "car guys" still think cars older than the 1950s went about 25 MPH and were miserable to drive and always overheat and are hard to start with 6 volt electrical systems. When they see these old cars out and about, it changes their perspective a bit. When they see my 1929 Cadillac starting in less than a second and idling almost silently, they're impressed. A light goes on and they start to understand. The thing to remember is that most car guys (present company excepted) don't have any vision, imagination, or courage. A red 1970 Chevelle SS is safe. Nobody's going to criticize that choice. Same with a 1969 Camaro or a 1966 Mustang. They know those cars are OK because all their buddies have those cars, too. But asking them to go outside that comfort zone is very, very difficult. Not only don't they understand the cars outsize their zone, but they're afraid that their peer group will criticize the decision. I know most aren't in love with the cars they own (else I wouldn't have a showroom full of them) but they do feel comfortable in that "zone of mediocrity." And that's really all they want. They don't really know their cars are garden-variety but they probably don't care, either. Exposing outsiders who are already car guys to cars that they never would have considered is probably the best avenue for growing the ranks. It's still a huge uphill battle, but when those guys see something they wouldn't in a million years have even considered owning and see that they like it, maybe a fire is lit. They're already car guys, they just need to expand their horizons a bit. If you can show them that a truly old car can be usable and fun, not a handicap and a death-trap, maybe those perceptions start to change. But that's a big battle and it involves getting the cars out and using them outside of the BCA. I drive my old cars to work every day. We take them to dinner and park them in the parking lot like any other car. I drive them in the rain. It's 18 degrees and snowing today yet I drove the '41 Limited to work so I can install my new fog lights. I am USING MY CAR AS A CAR. And that, above all else, is what I think the great many people don't understand about old cars--they are still functional as cars, not static art. But unless everyone gets out and starts using them, there's no proof. Instead, we hide them in garages, shuttle them around in enclosed trailers, and go to shows where we're already preaching to the choir. In the same way that most car guys are narrowly focused in the "zone of mediocrity" members of most clubs are insulated by the club itself. It's awesome to go to a BCA event--hell, I felt like a celebrity driving that '41 Limited onto the field in Allentown because BCA people know it's an amazing car. The public, however, just sees a big, frumpy old car that they think is going to hold them up in traffic. But if they see it blasting along on the highway with a happy family inside, if they see it at muscle car/late model shows with the hood open and showing of the state-of-the-art dual carb engine, and the see it starting, idling, and just acting like a real car, then maybe a seed is planted. This is a lot of words. The problem isn't the club or how it's run, it's the public that has no connection to these cars. And the only way to connect them to these cars is to actually connect them with the cars. Drive them. Show them in non-club events. Be receptive to any curiosity at a gas station, no matter who it might be (that African-American kid with the loud stereo and 24-inch wheels on his Caprice is probably more into your old car than the white suburban teenager with a new Honda). I'm sure this has all been said before, but in my business, all I see are people who just don't get it and those people make up 90% of the hobby. They simply don't know any better.
  40. 8 points
    Saw this rendering a guy did over at V8Buick. Thought it was really good. Messes with the mind at first. I would buy one!
  41. 8 points
    And there in lies the problem with the forum...most BCA members have a great time at the National meet regardless of who what when where why...
  42. 8 points
    Terry, this is uncharted territory for the club...for the new performance division, too. We are working on the details of how this is all going to work out. Don't expect it to happen overnight. By the way, signing the BPG onto the BCA as a division instantly grew the club by 55 members with the flick of a switch. As soon as the details can get hammered out, you can expect many more.
  43. 8 points
    Simply entitled, A Man and his Buick and yes even...
  44. 8 points
    Here is my 1929 Packard 633 Seven Passenger Sedan with full fall color today in Norwalk Ohio.
  45. 8 points
    Members naturally think of national meets from their own perspective. In line with Larry's editorial, let's also think of meets from VISITORS' perspectives. After all, members are already on the membership rolls, and visitors who come, interested in seeing the Buicks, are potential members to add to the club. At one local car show, I explained a few cars to some teenage girls who happened by. I explained in terms that they would appreciate. I asked a Corvair owner to open the front "engine" compartment, and there was no engine there! And even a bench seat was novel to them, as a person could get in on either side and simply slide over! Engaging the visitors with antique-car rides and explanations is so much better than having newcomers just walk down rows of vehicles. And I recommend having the meet in a place where the PUBLIC will readily happen upon it: Not in back of a highway hotel at Exit 52A of Interstate 890, but maybe a beautiful tree-studded park in an attractive town where the public will already be. Our hobby is fun. Let's be sure to share it.
  46. 8 points
    I really don't care WHAT I'm parked next to at the show. It's the "who" part that matters the most. I love striking up conversations with folks I've never met at the national meet and talking about their cars. But once the judging is over, you will rarely find me at my car...unless I'm stuffing parts into the trunk from the swap meet. I'm cool with whatever people want to do with the parking situation, as long as it doesn't kill the judges. They are already giving up a good portion of their Saturday (most likely vacation time) to schlep around all of our cars and sweat bullets for people who will never be happy with the score they give your car
  47. 8 points
    Putt around or parades? I'm not a Navy man, but me thinks I saw a shot across me bow? Well we do, do some putting and parades but we also have a bunch of fun on the open road too in our stock Buicks and drive. Nothing against Modified Buicks or Modifieds in general, heck I own one with a bow tie on the front . . . but I digress. Well here are three stock Buicks in Baraboo, Wisconsin on the PWD After Tour this past summer. Each had a bunch of fun at the BCA National Meet along with a bunch of Buick cars and trucks and wonderful Buick Folks I don't have pictures of. The 1937 is by my Google Maps calculation 825 miles away from home, did another 300 or so in Wisconsin so that's 825 + 825 +~300 = 1950 miles The 1924 is from Rhinelander and did at least 300 miles of touring. The 1923 circled Lake Michigan and did 1495 miles total. Don't underestimate the road worthiness (and fun) of a well tuned stock Buick or the really nice people who drive them. Fix up that '31 and come have some fun with us, stock or modified.
  48. 8 points
    Gorgeous day up here in the great "green" North, so I took the Electra out for a duplicate of the trip I made with the Wagon a few weeks ago. Up the Sea to Sky Highway that leads from Vancouver to Whistler. Halfway up to Whistler is the small town of Squamish where there Howe Sound Brewery, a great spot for local craft beer and excellent food. The trip went well and as you can see from the photos, it was a beautiful fall day. The Electra performed well, although the day was not without some drama. On the way home, the car sputtered and died while doing 60 mph... I coasted to the side of the highway and partially blocked the inside lane. As I was stalled out on the hill, there was no pushing it off the road, but luckily a buddy in his convertible Mini Cooper was able to stop behind me and there was good sight lines along the road so folks easily see me in time to move over. I could not restart the car, and every time I tried, the car would run rough for a few seconds and die again. Given the spot I was in, I called a tow truck and went back to fill in my buddy on what was going on. It really felt like I was out of gas (but had over a half tank). After about 10min of sitting there however, I was able to get the car started again and off I went gingerly. Cancelled the tow truck and made it home without further incident. Weird. I'll put the fuel filter to see if it has clogged up, but could high speeds down the curvy road contributed to the fuel starvation?
  49. 8 points
    Looks like a country station or any town outskirts USA. When life was more laid back........no weedeaters to deploy.
  50. 8 points
    I just pull;ed my son's 54 out of the garage for the picture. Leaves are really behind here on Long Island, not many have changed yet, but there are a few trees in the back that started. This car belonged to my father and when he passed I offered my son's a car from his collection. My oldest son was the only one who took me up on the offer.