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    and it will never be the same. Good ol' Dandy Dave paid us an overnight visit and fun was had by all. His visit could not have come at a better time as I was making my last haul of parts from the barn find purchase. So I guess you could call it a working vacation. But it sure made the task of loading and unloading engines and transmissions and doors and fenders much more fun not to mention easier on this old mans back. Plus I think he has unloaded a few engines in his lifetime. No pictures of us working but here are a few of the good times. This guy is a hoot and has a lot of knowledge stored in that head of his. Rita and I enjoyed his stay immensely. Oh and the Cap'n was there also. Sweet Reet and Dandy Dave "just a swingin" out by Buick Pond This guy is the first visitor ever to Buick Gardens to know what these two things were. Anybody else know? We're saying "Cheers" to all the BCA Forum members here. "CHEERS" . And I think this is when I exclaimed "It ain't heaven, but it'll do til we get there" Rita just kept sayin "this guy is funny" "this guy is a genius" "I love this guy" !!!! WATCH THE UPHOLSTERY SON, watch the upholstery!!!!! Elvis like him too, but I didn't get any shots of him with DD. Maybe Dave did. Dave explained to me the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee... a "yankee" is sombody from up nawth. A "damn yankee" is somebody from up nawth who stays. Thanks for the good times and help Dave, have a good flight back to New Yawk.
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    It all started with an email from an old friend and Dixie Chapter member Bruce Kile advising that he and a friend were going to look at some old Buick's in a warehouse and because there was a 54 involved thought I might be interested in joining them. I of course said sure and made plans to meet up with them at the warehouse in Toccoa Georgia. Toccoa is a small town in NE Georgia located about 50 miles from me and I have always known it to have lots of old Buick's in it. We met at the warehouse and was met by a super nice gentleman named Ray who told us the story behind all the Buicks we were about to see. The Buick's had belonged to the owner of Tugalo Gas Company who had passed away about 25 years ago. We met his son Tom, who is the current owner and learned that Ray was the Vice President of the company. We spent probably about 3 hours looking over the cars and I of course spent half of that looking at the '54 which was a solid 4 door Century with near perfect glass, original seat upholstery under old seat covers and had had a respray. The rest of the cars consisted of: 1938 Special Model 44, 2 door Streamline Sport Sedan 1940 Super Model 51 Four-Door Touring Sedan 1953 Special 4 door 1953 Super 4 door 1962 Electra 225 4 door 4 window 1963 Special 4 door 1963 LeSaber 4 door After looking over the cars we had a late lunch at M&J's Home Cooking Restaurant, a buffet style restaurant there in town. We discussed the cars and the fact that the owner was looking for offers and as the cars had been collected by his father, he wanted to ensure they went to good homes. Bruce and his friend were quite amazed at what we had seen but had no real interest in purchasing anything . I on the other hand, upon arriving home talked it over with Rita and we decided I should at least make an offer on the little 54 Century. The next day I called Ray and he informed me he had had calls from two individuals very interested in the cars and especially the '38. I made him an offer on the '54 and he said he guessed he could do it, but would I possibly be interested in the whole lot and quoted a figure that I had to ask him to repeat to ensure I had heard correctly. Considering the very fair figure that he had thrown at me and the fact I knew he had others interested in the cars, I quickly answered that I would take them. All the time realizing this was a bit more than Rita and I had discussed and immediately began wondering how the hell was I going to break this news to her. The following Monday I began hauling the Buicks home to Buick Gardens. But not before calling and suggesting to Ken Green here on the forum that he bring his trailer and if he liked the 40 Super he could take it home with him and if not he could deliver it to my house. We had lunch at M&J's Buffet, talked over the deal and as already learned from his new thread, he took it home with him. Luckily I am still married and over the last week have made a number of trips through the beautiful winding roads of the Northeast Georgia countryside hauling these wonderful old Buicks home. Ken graciously agreed to help haul the two big girls, the LeSabre and the Electra 225. It appears I have not only gained seven more Buicks this week but also some new friends. Ray and Tom were two of the nicest people you would ever hope to meet and plan to keep in touch in letting them know where the Buicks find homes. Ken is in Atlanta and I am sure we will be getting together to turn some wrenches or pound on some metal. Life in Buickland is good. From the first day we visited. Lets start with the oldest first.... the 38 and 40. The 38 was restored back in the early 80's and driven, gorgeous interior. The 40 was being worked on when the owner died, leaving the interior to be finished. more, much more to come..........
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    And then it was time to go back after the '53 Special and the '54 Century. My good friend Brad (Brad54 here on the forum some time back) met me there and we loaded these two up. I was beginning to gain a real respect for Mr Gilmer's selection of these old Buicks back in the late 70's to mid 80's as each one of them had a couple of things in common. They were all solid and had as best I could tell No Rust. They were all from the North East Georgia/Toccoa area and most had been purchased right there in Toccoa from Tabor Buick Company. Most were purchased from families and friends including mostly little old ladies.
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    This weekend was my college orientation. I wish we had gotten more photos, given it was a 5 and a half hour drive to the campus from where I live, over the mountain pass and through the Eastern Washington plains. My buddy is the photographer. Everyone told us not to take the Buick. I was determined to take it with me and prove to them that it is as reliable as any other car I've ever driven. So this is the point of no return. The on-ramp to the pass. We got in around 8 PM but the offered spaces for transfer students was already booked, so luckily there was a really cheap motel 5 minutes from campus. I parked her under the neon sign. The old girl worked hard that day. Here she is parked on campus. I wish there was more college flair, but I suppose you can spot the WSU Cougar in the background there... And the same day with us getting ready to go back to the motel... Funny story here. My gas gauge only ever went to half full, despite being filled up. Yet in the photo, it's at Full. The roads in and out of the campus were so beaten by all the agricultural shipping trucks that they must have jarred something in the gas gauge and it started working properly... I couldn't believe it! What I learned on this trip? My electric wiper kit arrived after I left, so it reinforced the idea of getting rid of the vacuum wipers - especially if I plan to make the trip to and from school a couple times a year. There isn't a NAPA on campus, rather an old mom and pop store that is no better than a cheap Autozone (which is unfortunate) - however, there is a NAPA 15 minutes from campus in the nearby town and they are all very nice a knowledgeable folks. They came out and the first thing out of their mouths was 322 Nailhead. A PCV system is better than no PCV system. On the way in I had it hooked up and we averaged 18 MPG. On the way out I took it off and swapped breather caps and at best got 14 MPG. Also if the engine wasn't broken in before, it sure got a run for it's money when I pushed 90 MPH at 4000 RPM in our voyage home convoy.
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    Riv: I get it. I wanted to leave the dust on the car as long as possible. I did wash the car tonight and that was a lot of time earned dust flowing down the drive. The car interior needs to be cleaned out so that I can reassemble parts that were removed. The interior door panels were removed and placed in the rear seat and the drivers window, vent window and vent deflector have been removed from the drivers door and are not with the car. There is also a piece of trim around the exterior of the drivers window that hasn't been found. Once cleaned, it will be easier to crawl around it to access parts that need attention. Plus it is pretty gross sitting in the car right now with all the dust.
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    OK, where was I? We had loaded up the 38 and Ken had decided to take the '40 home with him (and I was wondering "why did I just do that" Answer " Because he is such a nice guy and appreciates the 1940 big bodies so" So I bring the '38 slope back home to Buick Sales and Service Garage and back her up to her stall.
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    Yes it was there. But I surely hope you didn't touch it as you would have likely gotten yelled at by the owner like my son was at the 100th Buick birthday in Flint in '03. My 12 yr old son Jordan and I were walking around the car with our hands and arms behind our back as I had suggested to Jordan earlier in the day that we do. When Jordan went to point at the vent window and was exclaiming "Wow Dad, look at how this vent window doesn't have a frame" and I was overjoyed that he had noticed such a small detail, a loud voice came from the back of the car "Don't touch the car kid!" It was all I could do to keep from grabbing the owner by the collar and asking "Does my boy look like a baby goat to you mr.". Instead we just walked away and it was beginning to ruin my sons whole day but I just told him "Don't let it bother you, that guys probably not bad when he doesn't have his head up his ass" . Jordan got a kick out of that and we just laughed it off. I later learned who the owner of the car is and he has been known to check in here. As payback however, I tell this story every time I get a chance such as this. Do I hold a grudge, heck no, just don't ever yell at my son OR my dog, that simple.
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    Can't quite compare to "Mr. Earls" adventure,but here's my last barnfind that I dragged home almost 9 years ago,and hoping to get to this summer.Was parked in the barn about 15 minutes north of New York City in New Jersey by the original owner in '78.I bumped into the owners Grand-daughter at a show in Scranton,PA one day when she was admiring my '72 Riviera and she told me that they where clearing out the place after her Grandparents had passed.They had owned a small restaurant-gas station on Rte.46 in Ledgewood,NJ and wanted to know if I would be interested in following her down to see it,she new the engine was stuck and I almost said no after hearing that,but when she told me it had 49,000 miles and they where also selling gas station items too,I decided it would be worth the trip.We had to cut down a tree 8" in diameter to get the barn door open it had been in there so long,and I could see through all the dust that it was going to be worth it,especially when she agreed to let me have it for $700 ! I also loaded up my small trailer with gas station signs and memorabilia from the '40s to '60s and Grandpa's 1961 International-Harvester Cub Cadet lawnmower,first year of production,and hauled everything home.The next day I put a battery in the tractor,it started right up and I mowed the lawn with it. The car came with all the original paper work and here are some before and afters,the only 3 days she's been out in the sun since '78 as I put her in the garage,filled with Marvel Mystery Oil and hoping for the best soon. Notice the interesting way they reversed the white strip in the seat front to back,and how many people out there know that the speedometer that you are looking at is actually a mirror with an adjustment wheel on the left of the speedo to angle the mirror for your height for better viewing ! The actual speedo is embedded in the top of the dash upside down and printed backward. This old girl is so cool that who cares if she has "too many doors",I'm leaving her as is including the paint that the old gentleman dabbed every chip with a brush and there are alot,considering he drove her for 18 years.The inside is perfect but for the scuff in the carpet on drivers side.
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    First day of loading and second day of chowing down at M&J's Country Cooking. Good soul food, pretty waitresses and old Buicks on the trailer in the parking lot. Can life get much better? and Ken, proud new owner of the '40 Super
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    I'm a new member and this thread caught my eye. This picture was among my mother's old photos. I have no idea who they are. Sorry about the creases.
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    Thought this was a nice candidate for The Sunday's Pick and what appears to be ( in general ) an all original engine bay while seller is 2nd owner and claims the car has never ever been molested or taken apart and eyeball that steering wheel hub will ya … a real wow wow for only 79k : https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1953/buick/skylark/100860965
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    Oh man she is really looking good already!!! You didn't waste any time did you!? SO SO Glad to see this car go to you Matt. Will be such an easy and fun fixer upper. And you really lucked up on that 50% off sale on all the chrome and pot metal replacement pieces. Any word on the status of the mechanics yet?
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    I'll have AlI Y'all know that I was up to watch the sunrise over Buick Gardens the next morning but Mr. Earl was nowhere to be found till the sun was well up. Elvis is fine company while your drinking coffee in the morning. LOL.. Yep. Sur nuf was a good time. Do believe I'll be coming back sometime. Wondering why I did not just stay as It was 24F here this morning. Could have helped Mr. Earl get some of them cars cleaned up and ready to run. They calling for snow up here tonight and tomorrow. Patriotic Sandals are Birkenstocks but looks like I'll have to put them away for a bit. That Aeroplane ride in that big Shinny Kerosene Burning Jet was fine also. We Sur nuff had fun moving parts and getting dirty. I must say, I do believe that Mr. Earl should be know as Colonel Earl as he and Reet had nothing but the best Southern Hospitality a yankee could ever hope for. Dandy Dave!
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    And then there was the '53 Super that resided in a field the last 20 or so years. It had at one time proudly served as the Tugalo Gas Company company car. First as a prestigious executive car driving around the three states where the gas company had dealerships. Later it became a "service truck" transporting tools and parts to maintain the fleet of propane gas trucks of the company. This car has probably one of the cleanest 322 engines to be found in a '53 Super as it was ran on propane gas. As Toms dad Ed, as well Tom and Ray themselves were airplane pilots, I was also told that all the gas in all of the old cars was aviation fuel and could possibly still be good as it contained no alcohol to evaporate. We will see. Ray and I literally pulled this old gal out of a huge briar patch with one of the companies still running 70's Ford crane trucks which is still used to lift and load propane tanks. The tires would no inflate so had to bring some from home to put on it in order to load and haul. This one went to my parts car pasture. The dash, banjo style steering wheel, some of the glass and chrome, window visors and the 322 with the one year only style plug covers, water and exhaust manifolds and a few other unique parts definitely made it worth bringing home. Note the propane gas convertor to the right of the carburetor And the aviation type tires found on this '53, I also saw quite a few more mounted on 30's/40's wheels. And they appear to be RECAPS!!! What the ?
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    Smokin and drinkin in the '38!??? Flying DD flew in an aeroplane!! TOO!! Oh my, what's this world coming to?????????? Way cool! Guys!
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    as I didn't even take pictures of anything else the first day, I'll skip to the 54, of which I took quite a few of. Solid floors, rockers, one cracked vent glass, original interior under old seat covers. A bad respray especially of the roof. Not sure why the throttle through the middle of the dash... early handicapped assist maybe LOL.... or most likely for warm up. No options on a Century, not even power steering or radio.Considering the geographical location, possibly a shine runner?
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    Got all the wheels turning freely. Brake adjusters were all the way out. Rear axle seals seem shot. Pushed her into the shop. But the big news for the evening is that it runs. I was able to turn it by hand sunday night. Monday we sprayed a lil marvel in each cylinder and turned by hand, last night we put more marvel and turned with the starter. Tonight we just ran the starter to make sure there was no oil built up, then put the plugs back in. Fuel lines are new, fuel filter was clean. Cleaned the points, and rotor button. Poured a few gallons in the tank, and a drizzle in the carb, hit the starter.......... she fired right up and idled like nothing to it. Oil pressure came up, lots of lifter tapping. Didnt run it long as fuel was shooting out of what appears to be a weep hole in the side of the pump..... trying to post a video to YouTube so i can link it here.
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    You ought to take the car back to the shyster who sold it to you. It's obvious he pulled one over on you by shaking a vacuum cleaner bag of dust on the car and telling you it was a barn find just to try and hide that paint job.
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    So you noticed ehh Chris? Good golly is right, it's turned into a full time job. Looks like I may need to spend all my profits to hire a grounds keeper to keep up with maintaining Buick Gardens as Rita is beginning to get on my case that the grass hasn't been mowed yet this season. and the pine straw spread. and the annual chain saw day has passed and no chain sawing done, and as a matter of fact half of last years leaves are still in the patio. But so what, I'd rather be playing with Buicks.
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    This is my Mary by our "52 Special in front of our local Cracker Barrel.
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    Forget about the driver, just focus on the car and the girls!
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    Another ride to a local show last weekend at Miami Lakes, FL. "Almendrón" took another unexpected first class trophy in it class.
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    Spent a day and a half clearing out the garage of insulation and other building materials in order to get as many cars inside as possible. Here is what the whole mess currently looks like, albeit a Buickful mess.
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    Reminds me of the day I asked Bob Coker what he thought of letting girls and ladies pose for pictures in the back of the Landau at the national in Ames, Iowa. With his all familiar rascally smile and a twinkle in his eye "Sounds like a GREAT idea to me, go for it " was all he said. And the rest is history, and fond history it is!!!
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    Thanks to Lamar Brown (Earl) I am now the proud owner of another Buick. It's also a '40 and more road ready than my 76C. I do get the diversity thing as I have two vintage/special interest Fords as well. This one is a 4 door Super and has unique options like dust, cobwebs a mud dobber nest attached to the seat and the distinctive smell of "old car". It is not currently running but should be drive-able after a fuel and brake system overhaul. Check this out (below)! It spent the last 25 or so years locked away in a warehouse after the PO left us for his eternal journey. His family didn't do anything with it for the lack of interest. It was actually a part of a horde of cars, others of which have Lamar licking his chops and crowding his barn. That's Lamar's new slantback '38 in the background.
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    The last time I hauled anything bigger than a '54 Roadmaster on my little trailer was when I went after a '76 Buick Estate wagon down in Mobile, Alabama. That trip left a permanent crease in the drivers side seat bottom and I swore I would never do anything that stupid again. Sooo, I decided to enlist the help of my friend Ken and his super nice long aluminum car trailer that had just a few days prior hauled the '40 Super out of the warehouse and home with him. So I loaded up the little Special on my old trailer. This little Special only has around 43,000 miles and the nicest interior you ever seen. (except for the headliner which has come unsewn. Me, trying to stretch my trailer in hopes that maybe the LeSabre will fit. Din't work. Then we loaded up the '63 Lesabre. This big girl only has 49,000 miles and like the Special the interior is awesome. Absolutely love the color too. I think it is called Willow Mist? Like new hubcaps are in the trunk. Dropped off the little Special at the house and headed back with Ken for the '63 Electra 225. Got her loaded, stopped by M&J Country cooking for Friday night fish dinner and to flirt with the waitresses then headed home. It's funny, every time I've been in the restaurant I've been a dusty, dirty, greasy mess. If I ever go back in there cleaned up, they probably won't even recognize me. LOL This poor girl had it rough before she got stored away. It belonged to a lady and had had an engine fire. Ed bought it from her as the interior was pretty nice and the car is solid. While they were working on getting the engine back going, it locked down on them. They bought another 401 Wildcat engine with transmission for it but never got put in before Ed passed away. Sweet 4 door hard top with potential though.
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    This is me and our daughter on her wedding day a few years ago making an entrance to the ceremony in grand style aboard the 1929.
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    Day 6 - Part 2 Last night we stayed in Seligman at the Supai Inn. Another example of an old Route 66 motel that is well-maintained and sought after by Route 66 travelers. Leaving Seligman, we headed west and stopped at the Grand Canyon Caverns. This attraction is located on private land east of Peach Springs. The Grand Canyon Caverns have nothing to do with the Grand Canyon but they are a large expanse of deep-underground caverns left behind by water erosion of limestone after what is now the Pacific Ocean receded from this land hundreds of millions of years ago. The caverns lie 21 stories below the surface and are accessed by an elevator. Photographs taken inside the caverns are not especially remarkable because the majority of what can be seen is limestone and limestone is just a chalk white/gray. There are exceptions, though. One of the incredible features of the attraction is the motel room - a complete room with two beds, shower, toilet, sofas, chairs, TV with DVD player and a table service for dinner served for occupants. The price per night: $850.00 USD. And there are lots of people who do this. Pitch black without lights, no sound, no moisture at all. No critters live in the caverns because there is absolutely no water, not even a trace of humidity. Here's what it looks like... There is a good-sized concert area adjacent to the "motel room" but after it was built, the State would not allow occupancy because there is only one way out - the elevator. No occupancy permit issued. There is an escape ladder but you have to climb out 210 feet to the surface. We were told that two Scottish occupants of the room brought bag pipes with them and regaled the caverns with bag pipe music. If you look closely you can see the shower and toilet facilites enclosed behind the entertainment center. Leaving the Grand Canyon Caverns, we traveled west and passed through the Hualapai Indian Nation town of Peach Springs. It is this town that is reportedly the model for the Radiator Springs town in the movie, "Cars" but the geography and features of the town do not remind me of the fictional town in the movie. West of Peach Springs is the small community of Hackberry. The general store and old gas station here has always been on Route 66 and it hung on until finally closing in 1978. Bob Waldmire acquired the general store in 1992 and reopened it as a Route 66 attraction. It prospered with the resurgence of Route 66 tourism. Interest in the store transferred to other owners after Waldmire's death. You will remember Waldmire from previous narrative in Springfield and Pontiac, Illinois. This place is a huge tourist draw. A bus load of foreign tourists were there when we pulled in and the Buick became an immediate attraction for many tourist cameras. We are staying in Kingman, AZ tonight at another landmark Route 66 motel. The Buick is running just as fine as if it were '49. Dan
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    Drove two this weekend. Took my 70 GS455 convertible over to a friend's house who has a 70 GS455 coupe that he bought brand new in 1969, and we found a nice winding road and took turns driving each other's car. Was a blast, and a nice way to spend a couple of hours on a Sunday!
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    Anyone else think the programming on Velocity channel has changed the level of programming? Lots of blanked out words. (Like you can't figure out what is being said) I think there were programs in the past that didn't have to be filled with the F word to have a show. On one show the guy can't complete a 4 word sentence with out using it. Even when his children are standing beside him. I think there are at least five shows I would not watch with my kids. (Grand kids). There actually are people who think that type of language is very low class and find it offensive. If this is what appeals to America we have a lot more problems than I thought. I know. Just turn it off. Which is exactly what I've done. Thanks for the rant time.
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    I just received a matching numbers front exhaust pipe bracket and clamp from mike. It even had the correct amount of dirt and grease on it that perfectly blended into “One Bids” greasy underbelly.
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    Another area where numbers do not match on a 55 Buick is the amount you spent on it to get it perfect and the amount it is worth!
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    So everything is home and put away for the time being. Thanks again to Dandy Dave for his professional help in unloading the two engines. Made it so much easier and safer too!!! The back yard of the Buick Sales and Service Garage is beginning to look like a mid 60's Buick dealer used car lot. I am actually getting worried that the county zoning or tax folks are going to be paying me a visit. and thankfully I never tore down the old goat sheds, knew they would come in handy for storing something some day. Like a couple of spare '38 doors and fenders, 2 "53 doors, a spare '38 rear end and front chassis. Oh and a 55 Buick AC evaporator box. (there's more 55 AC parts in a couple of the other cars trunks) and for easy access to unload, unloaded a spare '38 straight eight and the 401 nailhead to replace the seized one in the 62 Electra in back of the Old Buick Barn. and a sweet little water can that didn't have Buick on it but Tom threw it in too.
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    Folks, thanks for all the comments, both good and bad. As I'm sure you're all well aware, the cost of business continues to creep upward, so we often have to make business decisions which aren't universally popular, but which are necessary to remain in business (and to support more than 100 jobs here in Bennington, Vermont). I'm no salesman, so I won't try to pitch you all on choosing Hemmings the next time you're buying or selling cars or parts, but I will echo what John_S_in_Penna pointed out: We vet every ad that goes into our magazines or online, something few (if any) other classified ad sellers do, so what you see in our pages and on our website are serious buyers and sellers and only serious buyers and sellers. In addition, we're always working on new ways to connect buyers and sellers and to make the relationship between seller and buyer even more secure. As for the editorial content, I sure hope y'all don't lump anything under my byline with the "fluff!" Admittedly, we're not perfect (who is?) and we don't know everything (who does?), but we have a great readership that keeps us on our toes, and hopefully out of the hundreds of pages' worth of stories we write every month, you find something that piques your interest. We do listen to all of your feedback, whether it's sent with a stamp, via editorial@hemmings.com, or in the comments to the stories on the Hemmings Daily or on our Facebook page. Daniel Strohl Web Editor Hemmings Motor News
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    From a customer's standpoint: If a vendor has advertised for a long time in Hemmings Motor News, it gives me some confidence when I'm dealing with him for the first time; whereas if some unknown company is advertising cars or car parts on the internet, that company starts with a bit of a disadvantage, as they are a totally unknown entity. So there's still a great value to being a long-term Hemmings advertiser. It's almost like a recommendation from a friend.
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    This is a cute one!
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    Essential for the ultimate travel survival kit.
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    Which is exactly why I live on 100 acres at the end of a 700' driveway. Nice rural area with nice houses but I can do whatever I want without bothering anyone or vice versa. Fire up my forge with stinky soft coal? No problem. Have chickens including a early rising rooster? No problem. Sit out side and smoke a cigar naked? Not a bit of a problem. Leave a parts car outside while I cut it up? Sure thing. I realize everyone can't do it this way but if at all possible I surely do recommend it....................Bob
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    And I personally want to nominate Larry Schramm for the 'Epitome of a Buick Man' award. Why you ask? Well, he has hauled all four fenders off our 1916 D-45 to Port Huron, Michigan to have them straightened out before going under paint. These fenders have been down to Mexico to be straightened up (but the guys down there did not want to do them the way I wanted them done - and that's another story all by itself) so Larry picked them up at Chickasha and took them back home with him to have them straightened up for us. For those who might not know this, Larry has the market cornered on Buick trucks. He has the largest collection of Buick trucks in the whole wide world. He should have the Buick Man award just for this fact alone, but, no, he is helping another long time Buick enthusiast get his Buick back on the road. Larry Schramm is the banner carrier for Buick Trucks. Having Fun - Making Friends - Driving Buicks. Look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls and you will see Larry's picture. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas America aka Doo Dah America
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    There's a lot of money in old cars. I ought to know, I put it there. (joke)