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November 24th, 2009
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| 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 Both of my old cars could be classified as "refurbished" I guess, a combination of old restoration, some newer cosmetic work, and in the case of my 28 Pierce, a lot of "original" under the surface. I have spent a lot of time just bringing this car to the point of being driveable and am not fully there yet since I am quite limited in both time and money. I recently dropped the oil pan and was pleased to find the engine very clean inside. This car has a beautiful finned cast aluminum pan which had a layer of soft sludge in the bottom but no metal or hard debris. I removed the oil pump and cleaned everything up, for the pan I used a product called Super Clean which is water based and did an excellent job. The photos below were after two spray applications, some light scrubbing with a toothbrush and water rinse, a little more detail cleaning produced nice bright aluminum. I did not use this product on the oil pump but did use it on the filter screen. I had purchased a set of pan gaskets from Olson's which included a circular neoprene seal which was supposed to fit around the oil supply tube at the pan rail. The piece they sent did not fit so I called them with the correct dimensions and they sent me two additional custom pieces with no charge - great company to deal with.
I also just fixed a fuel problem with the Stromberg O-3 carburetor which I had since I got the car - almost every time I opened the fuel shutoff from the vacuum tank the carb bowl would overflow. I would fiddle with the float adjuster and tap the bowl with a screwdriver and then it would stop and work correctly. I assumed I had dirt in the float valve. I finally pulled the carb apart and cleaned it out but back on the car it leaked even worse. I took it apart again and discovered one of the tabs on the "flapper" float mechanism was broken and was causing the float to bind and hang up. An appeal to my fellow PAS members turned up a good used float top assembly which I polished up and installed - and the car now runs better than ever with no leaks!
Thanks to good suppliers and good club members I might actually get this thing on the road!
__________________ Don Rundgren 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 1932 Cadillac V12 Sedan
AACA, PAS, CLC, BCA, CCCA
McKinney, Texas "So many cars, so little time..." |
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November 24th, 2009
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#2 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marshall, VA
Posts: 327
| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 Don, the engine looks great. Was it running when you got it? Pls. post pictures of the entire car so we can get an idea of what you are up against.
Just finished my three year restoration of a 23 McLaughlin Buick, took almost eight months for me to get the engine unstuck. Now I am trying to bring the Avanti back to life.
So continue to plug along and keep us updated.
__________________ John Feser
Marshall, VA
1923 McLaughlin Buick, model 45 Special Export
1928 Buick, Model 29 Town Brougham
1963 Avanti R2 Supercharged
1968 Mercedes Benz UNIMOG 404 ex-Belgian Army
1979 Chev Sports Van, G20
1989 Ford Taurus SHO Titanium
1989 Ford Taurus SHO White |
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November 25th, 2009
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#3 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
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| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 John,
The car was running when I got it but would only work with fuel poured into the vacuum tank with a small funnel, so the car had only been moved in previous owners driveway for the previous five years. The vacuum tank wasn't working due to a vacuum leak, I fixed that but it also had a seriously gunked up fuel tank and a crushed fuel line. It now has a 6-gallon temporary tank until I can get the original tank rebuilt and resealed, enough for me to drive it around the neighborhood.
Your thread on your Avanti has been great, kind of inspired me to post some on my cars. You've been making me nervous with the wiring stories, I have some seriously patched wires under the hood of the Pierce that need replacement, one more thing on the to-do list. You have made a lot of progress, hope the weather will let you continue.
__________________ Don Rundgren 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 1932 Cadillac V12 Sedan
AACA, PAS, CLC, BCA, CCCA
McKinney, Texas "So many cars, so little time..." |
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November 25th, 2009
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#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marshall, VA
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| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 Don, what a beauty. Now that is a great looking car.
Re the gas tank, I had mine 23 tank done in MD by a shop that is licensed to do the ReNu process. Not cheap by any means. Mine had previously been coated, but it had failed and the tank was rusting between the coating and the metal. I also had several areas that needed welding and patching. I think it was around $700. They did a great job, and I need not worry about it again.
Re the wiring, on the 23 all I had was the delco wiring diagram. I bought the cloth wiring, shielded cable, and terminals from Road Island Wiring. i just followed the diagram and ran the wire. The wiring is pretty simple and are usually straight runs. I also had them make up new pos and neg cables for the battery as mine were original and badly need some repair. I sent the old ones to them and got back perfect copies. I did have to do some research on how to route the wires, but basically used the routes that are on my 28 Buick and pictures from other 23s, and also advice from forum members. I just went circuit by circuit. Worked out great.
Keep us posted on how you are doing. The pics are great.
The first couple of pics are of the gas tank before, you can see the rust leaking from the bottom of the filler and also from the seams of the tank. The last ones are of the finished tank.
__________________ John Feser
Marshall, VA
1923 McLaughlin Buick, model 45 Special Export
1928 Buick, Model 29 Town Brougham
1963 Avanti R2 Supercharged
1968 Mercedes Benz UNIMOG 404 ex-Belgian Army
1979 Chev Sports Van, G20
1989 Ford Taurus SHO Titanium
1989 Ford Taurus SHO White |
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November 25th, 2009
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#5 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sherborn MA USA
Posts: 214
| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 John,
What size is your fuel tank on the 23? The tank on my 22 is 22 gal which is only
used on the models 41, 54, and 55, and filler neck is on the end of the tank like yours.
On the 55 it is because the trunk is in the way.
The Canadian models use a lot on different parts, steering wheel dash ,and fuel tank! Working with Tom Black about a speedo cable for you.
JB |
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November 25th, 2009
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#6 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marshall, VA
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| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 JB, thanks for continuing to look for the speedo cable for me. I am down to two missing pieces, the cable and the McLaughlin Buick radiator badge. I did have four missing pieces, but got four NOS McL/Buick hub caps a month ago, and just got the gas gauge mechanical for the inside of the gas tank.
My gas guage goes from 1 to 13 and then when full it says GM SIX so I believe the tank to be approximately 16 gallons. I have never filled it completely so I really do not know. Hope that this helps you.
__________________ John Feser
Marshall, VA
1923 McLaughlin Buick, model 45 Special Export
1928 Buick, Model 29 Town Brougham
1963 Avanti R2 Supercharged
1968 Mercedes Benz UNIMOG 404 ex-Belgian Army
1979 Chev Sports Van, G20
1989 Ford Taurus SHO Titanium
1989 Ford Taurus SHO White |
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November 25th, 2009
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#7 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 626
| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 John,
Glad to hear you are happy with the Renu process, I have considered using them but felt the cost was quite high and am still on the fence. I also have to have the pickup area repaired and the sending unit replaced due to pot metal disease. All in good time. I have bought wire from Rhode Island to fix my underhood problems, just need to get around to it. I made my own new battery cables using parts from Restoration Supply and added a battery shutoff switch which I use all the time.
Right now I'm working on the fuel system of my Cadillac. While the carburetors are off I'm also doing some cleanup on the engine and replacing the lower radiator hoses. I'll try to post more on that later
__________________ Don Rundgren 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 1932 Cadillac V12 Sedan
AACA, PAS, CLC, BCA, CCCA
McKinney, Texas "So many cars, so little time..." |
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November 25th, 2009
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#8 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marshall, VA
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| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 Don, and post pics of the Caddy too! Usually the vacuum tanks just need a good cleaning as the varnish tends to build up around the needle/seat area, kinda like hard water on a faucet.
Yes, I choked at the bill from ReNu, but running with a plastic 2 1/2 gallon jug on the running board really did not look too cool so after six months of fussing around just bit the bullet. Kinda like I am doing on the Avanti right now.
__________________ John Feser
Marshall, VA
1923 McLaughlin Buick, model 45 Special Export
1928 Buick, Model 29 Town Brougham
1963 Avanti R2 Supercharged
1968 Mercedes Benz UNIMOG 404 ex-Belgian Army
1979 Chev Sports Van, G20
1989 Ford Taurus SHO Titanium
1989 Ford Taurus SHO White |
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November 25th, 2009
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#9 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bath, PA
Posts: 159
| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 John,
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but can you post some pictures of your finished 1923 Buick? I remember when you bought it (I used to have a 1923 Model 45). It's good you hear you got it finished. |
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November 26th, 2009
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#10 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marshall, VA
Posts: 327
| Re: 1928 Pierce Arrow Model 81 I am sure Don will not mind, here are just a couple. Sorry they are when it was on the trailer coming back from its final trim work.
__________________ John Feser
Marshall, VA
1923 McLaughlin Buick, model 45 Special Export
1928 Buick, Model 29 Town Brougham
1963 Avanti R2 Supercharged
1968 Mercedes Benz UNIMOG 404 ex-Belgian Army
1979 Chev Sports Van, G20
1989 Ford Taurus SHO Titanium
1989 Ford Taurus SHO White |
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