[nzcarnerd]

Disappointing as many people find it, the engine size of many old cars simply wasn't very big, really only the same as more modern stuff. The Stephens engine was actually a little over 4 litres, comparable with the comtemporary Buick and just a few cubic inches smaller than the Model A Duesenberg, although not in the same league power- or dollar-wise. Only a small number of makes had engines bigger than 6 litres. I agree that this car is probably not a Stephens, but it does look similar - even down the shape of the radiator badge. I knew someone who restored one of these about 30 years ago - I think the car is now in a museum in Europe. Hopefully someone more expert than us can maybe identify this car from the lights or something.

[Bob McAnlis]

I think this is a Haynes 4 pass Tourister of about 21 or 22. Tough to tell.

Bob McAnlis

[Grandpa]

The attached image is a VERY early Duesenberg Model A. The car is pictured in front of the White House. In many ways, the Duesenberg Model A was a scaled-up version of their racecar. These passenger cars were generally smaller, lighter, and faster than other luxury cars of the early and mid 1920s.
Grandpa

[nzcarnerd]

Here is a 1921 Haynes - http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1164/...84b1a4.jpg?v=0 - the radiator shape doesn't match.

[Ivan Saxton]

This looks like it has one of the horizontal valve high camshaft walking beam 8 cyl engines the same bore/stroke as the production A. Because the camera angle is unusually low you can match that detail of the sump with the prototype engine. Only photos of the first prototype that was at the NY Show in Nov 1920 with United body, and the second car which had a Fleeetwood roadster body are widely published. Both had step plates instead of running boards, as this car has; and so of course the mudguards are quite different. It is almost certain that the few prototype cars which were the same bore/stroke as the production A Duesenberg were converted to standard A type and sold. The chassis frame which came to me from Montana was almost certainly from one of these prototype cars originally. The original serial number 333 was defaced, and the 1923 serial number 808 was stamped twice nearby. When Alan Powell from Melbourne bought his A from the factory in 1923, he saw an earier car being re-manufactured. You should run this photo past Fred Roe the early Duesenberg historian for his comments. Ivan Saxton