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    1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    These are basically emails I sent to my Buick buddies....

    Subject: Making progress on my 12 Buick


    (Sunday Sept 4th) The boss said I could start on the 1912 Buick model 34 roadster before I finish the 15 speedster because it will be a century old next year & we want to have it on the road for it's 100th birthday.

    Last weekend, I worked on geting the windshield figured out. It appeared to be a Model T Ford windshield, so I took it to one of my Ford buddies and learned that although it was similar, it was not Ford. He did give me the keeper clips for the glass and gave me a Ford parts catalog with some good drawings to help me find what I need. Then one of my Buick buddies brought over a local body & fender man to look at the lower running board areas that are rusted out on all four fenders. He plans to pick up the car near the end of the month to start working on them. I removed the fenders so maybe he won't have to take the whole car.

    Today, I dropped the pan (actually the lower engine case) to clean and lube the crank and camshaft before turning over the engine. This took all morning because the lower case involves removing bolts from the timing gear cover, removing the oil pump tubes, and many (hard to get at) cotter keyed nuts from under the car. It took almost all afternoon to put it back together too.... I refilled the crankcase and the engine is now ready for a trial start.
    Mark

    Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:48 AM
    Subject: Re: Making progress on my 12 Buick


    Well gang, it runs good!

    I got it running this morning before 10 AM and will work on refreshing the tranny & rear end lube next.

    I may even go for a ride this afternoon!
    Mark

    OK, now for the afternoon update...

    I lubed the chassis, added some tranny lube, & checked the rear end and it was OK.

    I started it again and backed it out the driveway into the street.

    Reverse and first work good, but the clutch was so grabby I decided to pull it back into the shop and treat the clutch.

    I had to go to four places to get some neatsfoot oil for the leather clutch, but when I looked closer at the clutch, I decided it needs replacement.

    I will pull the clutch after I remove the body and send it to Bob Knaak for new leather.


    Mark
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Good progress. You should bring it to NCnext year for a proper birthday.

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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    It sounds like someone is having altogether too much fun. Congrats Mark.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    That's awesome! I love it!
    Cheers
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    John,
    Well, it's eleven days travel time over 5576 miles pulling a loaded trailer at about 12 mpg with gasoline over $3.70 per gallon = $1720.00, plus hotels for nine nights would bring it over $3000.00. Since I don't have my cars judged, I would only bring it for display and drive it on the PWD AfterTour. No, I don't think I will be bringing it.

    I would just like to see the BCA move the meets East, West, North, & South to give everyone a chance to bring a car. Two in a row on the East coast may make me stay home next time. South Bend is over 4400 miles round trip for me too.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    May it bring you many happy and trouble free miles as you glide along the highways and byways on tour! Good start on a nice early Buick. Dandy Dave!
    Most of my money I spent on Tools, Mechanical things, and Girls. The rest I wasted! ;)
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Greetings Mark,

    Glad to hear it's alive and well. Colorado is closer than Indiana (hint, hint, hint).

    Best Regards,
    Jon

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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Hi Mark. Nice to see it is making progress. I will have to get some pictures of my Grand Fathers 1912 model 42 or it might be a 48. He use to do the Red Rock tours in it all the time.
    He is 94 now and keeps his driving around town in a Lincoln town car.
    Some of you might know him. Bob Hopkins.

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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Yes, I believe I have met Bob.... but I don't remember when or where...

    Here are a couple more photos of the windshield I got back together last night.

    I would like to have it angled back as in the photos, but I might have bugs hit my forehead if I do it this way.
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    Mark Shaw BCA #40988
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Shaw View Post
    Yes, I believe I have met Bob.... but I don't remember when or where...

    Here are a couple more photos of the windshield I got back together last night.

    I would like to have it angled back as in the photos, but I might have bugs hit my forehead if I do it this way.
    Do anything, as long as the bugs don't get stuck in your teeth when you smile. Dandy Dave!
    Most of my money I spent on Tools, Mechanical things, and Girls. The rest I wasted! ;)
    At Dandy Daves Speedo repair, we aint fast, but we sur nuf is sexy! :D
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    I want one Just great!
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Great news Mark, and a good boss, I have one of those too. ( boss, not a 1912 Buick ) COOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    Sandy

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    Mark ...quote" I will pull the clutch after I remove the body and send it to Bob Knaak for new leather."

    Can you send me this contact info...I had my last clutch done in Kevlar and was not happy with the final results.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Hi Mark. Thought you might enjoy this. This is my Grand Fathers 1912 model 43.
    Car of the Week: 1912 Buick Model 43 | Old Cars Weekly He has been on a lot of the old Red Rock tours last one he went on with this Buick was up in Montana and covered 2300 miles.

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    Thanks for the link! Wow! A very nice touring car....& great article. I would love to get some photos of the windshield support where it mounts next to the radiator. I have to fabricate the support and mounting hardware for my little 12 Buick.

    Tom,
    You can email Bob Knaak here: bobknaak@hotmail.com
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Mark,
    Looks like you are having too much fun.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Larry,
    You can never have too much fun with these old cars...

    Maybe when I can when I retire though....
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Mark,
    I have both a 1912 Model 35 (touring) and a Model 36 Roadster very similar to yours. Here's a pic of the fire wall and the windshield brackets. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need pics or dimensions of anything.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Newcomer,
    Thanks, I already have that part. But I need to fabricate the support rod that mounts to the windshield from the center hinge to the frame near the radiator. My windshield is not brass, but it should mount the same way. I need a photo of where this rod mounts to the frame.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Here's a link to my PhotoBucket album, the first 4 photos should help. I can't vouch for the rod's originality, but it's all I have. It's a two piece affair, with at least the bottom part being iron cover by a brass tube rather than just a brass tube alone. Over the years the iron has expanded and split the brass tube. One photo shows the joint nut. The frame connection seems to be a cast or forged "eye" welded to an iron or steel rod.(much like that found in brake linkage) The window connection is simply the hollow brass tube that was flattened and a hole drill through it. http://photobucket.com/Buick36
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Hi Mark,

    On my model 14, there are separate sets of holes for mounting the windshield
    truss rods. The set for the slanted frame mounting are located near the center
    of the frame so the rods are in a vertical position (lower frame half angled).

    There is also a set of holes which double for securing the back half of the
    front head lamp mounting stems at the front of the frame. The leading edge
    of the mounting stem was riveted on from the factory and trailing side had a
    bolt & nut which were removed for the straight windshield frame installation..

    I found out that my windshield must have previously been in the angle
    mount- when I put the top on and unfolded it. The top was a good 6 or 8
    inches shy of overlapping the dashboard.

    I ended up buying new bows and sockets to accomodate the longer top I
    need for a vertical frame window installation.

    Thanks again for the pics,
    Joe

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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Perfect, now I know what I need. Thanks guys...

    I will post photos when I get these parts fabricated.
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    Mark...thanks for the tip on Bob Knaak...I sent my clutch out, got it back and reinstalled in my 1917 Buick "truck". He did beautiful work and for the first time the 1917 is a pleasure to drive. I put it away as for the winter as our first snow arrived in upstate NY today.
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Mark,

    Great car...and the big grin on your face says it all ........most of us know that feeling

    Enjoy it !!
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    Re: 1912 Buick Resurrection Day

    Bob & Marty,
    I love seeing photos of your cars... I need some more "Beauty Shots" for the PWD Newsletter, so don't be shy. Just emial them directly to me...

    Bob,
    Glad to hear you got your clutch done.. Mine is in Bob's shop right now...
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