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    1911 Buick model 14

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    Re: 1911 Buick model 14

    That's a sweet car. Are you going to post some photos of the restoration process? It won't be too long and you'll have a hundred year old car. Not many can say that!
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    I'll have to resize some of my photos so I can upload them..
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    Joe, That is one beautiful Buick. I'd love to see more pictures. What a blast that will be to drive about town in.
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    You lucky,lucky,lucky...dawg. So many beautiful old Buicks showing up lately. JO BO

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    Currently turning the axle spindles to accept Timken bearings; the
    spindles were bent about .070 off the axle centerline and had to
    be straightened before turning..
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    Shown are the old ball style wheel bearings on the left wheel;
    the wheel to the right has been sleeved front and back for tapered
    bearings with new seals on inboard bearing side. I'm machining
    sleeves from pre-heat treated steel with an .001 interference
    fit..
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    next project was checking the runout of the brake drums; one wheel
    gave me trouble as its center hub had been welded up and the locating
    diameter for the brake drum wasn't running concentric with the bearings.
    I ended up boring the locating hole of the drum and sleeving it.
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    Working on the transmission; cutting new gear teeth on a reworked
    double gear shaft. 2 of the original gears were pretty chewed up...

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    This gear was a little trickier; it has a 17 tooth internal gear which acts as a
    spline to lock up with the driven side of the clutch for high gear. I first roughed
    out the teeth by drilling and milling the tooth cavities before using a hand ground
    tool with the tooth profile to broach the finish shape of the sides & outer edge.
    It took a couple of additional passes around before the gear fit freely into the
    clutch gear on all the teeth...
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    Joe, my hat is off to you. I would only dream about doing work like this. Please, what training is involved to learn to do work like trhat? Tool and die maker?

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    Hi John,
    No, just worked in a lot of different general machining job shops. What
    you don't learn from trial and error is all in Machinery's Handbook..
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    Everything fits even with the two gears "growing" slightly from the
    flame hardening of their teeth. Also new is a screw in bearing carrier
    for the pinion gear (bottom). I ended up using a Timken tapered bearing
    with a needle thrust bearing behind it to replace the obsolete ball
    bearing on the pinion gear.
    Now on to the clutch and torque tube side of the tranny....
    Thanks,
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    Model 14 clutches are prone to "sticking" when engaged- so much that later
    versions (including mine) have a spring loaded plunger which contacts the
    side of the clutch unit to stop rotation.
    So on the advise of another model 14 owner, I bought a "jackrabbit" clutch
    disk set sold by a model T supplier. The disks are covered with a friction
    material (on right) versus the old bronze disks to the left.

    The old disk drum had to be turned down by about .270" and the slots
    milled back in to accomodate the smaller model T disks; also the O.D. of
    the new disks had to be reduced by an eigth of an inch to clear the bolts
    that hold the assembly together....
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    I finally put some paint on the assembled transaxle...

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    Rebuilt 1" Schebler carburetor at right (same as used by Buick model 10).
    Thanks, Joe

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    Painted frame; I built a support frame around it to rotate the
    piece while sanding and painting.
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    Hello Joe,

    I am a new member to the discussion forum, based near Dublin, Southern Ireland, I have the task of rebuilding a 1908 Buick (we think?)there will be many questions that I could do with answers to and judging by your experience you probably can supply the info?
    Looking at what you have already done the engineering quality looks fantastic, I only hope I can come near it.
    Most of the car is there but the outer clutch to gearbox drive unit and the flywheel square drive is missing and I have no idea what they look like to show the seller of the car what I am after.
    Do you have any images of these items please?
    Regards
    Ian Anderson

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    Hi Ian,
    Shown is a Spicer universal joint I replicated a few years back
    (on right). I was fortunate that the original on left was included with the car. The square socket on the end of the yoke
    often gets chewed out.
    Thanks,
    Joe

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    Hi Joe,

    Brilliant information,very many thanks for that, I now realise that the square drive that fits the coupling and the input shaft aligned by a woodfuff key are missing, any pics of that item?

    Ian

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    Hello Ian,
    No photos of it on hand, but the original drive end is around 4-3/4" long. It is made from 1-3/8" diameter steel with a 1-1/8" square milled back about 4 inches. The center hole is 7/8" inside diameter with a 3/16" (I believe) drive key in line with a corner square. Make the lengths longer; they can always be cut back if need be....
    Thanks, Joe

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    Hi Joe,

    Many thanks for the info, I will get a drawing done and sent the the machine shop.
    Would you be able to tell me if you know of anyone who has a clutch cover + plates or complete assembly for sale?
    As this part is missing I would like to modify it as per your clutch.
    Regards

    Ian

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    Hi Ian,
    None that I am aware of; I'll keep my eyes open..
    Thanks,
    Joe

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