Wanted: Cylinder Head

[SeniorSixCoupe]

Hello. I am a new member of the list. I hope this is the correct way to post messages.

I am in need of a cylinder had for my 1928-29 Dodge Senior Six. The car has an "S" series engine and the chassis number is S-54474.

If anyone has a spare head, or any information on where I can find one, I would appreciate a response.

Thank you.

[Ron Lawson]

G'day mate Ihave got a spare head off a Senior 6, However I am in Western Australia What is the problem with your head?

[SeniorSixCoupe]

Multiple cracks. We suspect it is due to frost damage. The head has been welded and ceramic sealed, but new cracks have appeared and some of the repairs have failed. The conclusion was that sourcing a replacement head was a better option.

What is the condition of the head you have? Do you know the engine number it came from?

Regards


Mike

[Ron Lawson]

Mike I don't know the engine no this motor Iv'e only recently purchased and it is still in Perth West Aust I live about 50 miles from there Ron

[SeniorSixCoupe]

OK. I am interested in the head if it fits my car, which is a 2251/2 series coupe. Please keep me posted when you get the engine number. I live in London, but the distance is not a problem for me. I have a cousin in Perth who can help with the logistics if we agree a transaction. Thanks for the replies. Regards,

Mike

[Ron Lawson]

Ok mike will do it will be 2 to 3 weeks before i get it home Do you know Gundog he has an Australian bodied 2249 Senior as well He has a tourer and so is mine Could you post some pictures of you car? Cheers Ron

[SeniorSixCoupe]

Thanks. A picture of my car is below. It is an opera coupe with the "sports" package. We have prepared it for long distance road rallies. The headlamps are not correct. The originals need to be rebuilt.

[Ron Lawson]

Looks fantastic. The Senior 6 coupe must be very scarce in the UK They ars like hens teeth out here in Aust. With the ones that are around sedans seem to be the most common I know of 3 other Tourers but no coupes Can you send me a story on how you came to own this car Its great to swap stories Send a PM if you wish

[R.White]

Welcome to the forum, Senior Six Coupe, what's your name?

I like the lines of your Dodge Brothers and the colour scheme suits it. Sure looks to be in good condition. I live in Derby and have a 1926 4 cyl DB tourer which is nearly on the road. As you probably know, there are not that many Dodge Brothers cars here in the U.K.

What rallies are you planning to go on?

Ray.

[Paul Bohlig]

There should be a casting part number on the head. This is not the engine number or car serial number. If you posted that number it might verify that offers of a head would actually fit your car before shipping a lot of metal a long way.
Paul

[Ron Lawson]

Paul the head that i am negotiating to sell to Mike is off a 2249 Series motor Engine # S-23282 When I read your post I contacted the person that I purchased it from and got him to look for the # DB Seniors are as scarce as rocking horse manure out here in Aust thats why I bought it You know what us old DBers are like "If its DB hoard it"Never know it could help someone to get a car on the road one day Thats my motto Cheers Ron

[SeniorSixCoupe]

Ron, Ray, Paul,

Thank you for the messages. I will look for the casting number this afternoon and post it.

I appreciate your help. This has been a frustrating couple of weeks. We have been preparing the car for over two years for an event call the Three Castles Rally, which starts next Wednesday in north Wales. Due to the age of the car, we drew the No 1 start number! Unfortunately, during final reassembly of the car, the head cracked. I am a member of the owners club in the US, but they weren't able to offer much advice. It is very hard to see the car looking so good, but not be able to drive it!

To answer Ron's question, the car came from just outside Springfield, Illinois from the estate of man who had partially disassembled the car for restoration. The estate's executor had discovered the car in pieces in the garage and gathered as much of the car as it could it find and reassembled it. The car started and drove when I got it, but when we looked closely, we discovered half the pieces were missing and some of the pieces belong to a different car! For example, it came with five 19 inch wire wheels and one 20 inch wire wheel (all painted to match the car). Fortunately, the bodywork is in excellent condition and most of the original interior is there. We have been able to source most of the parts we need (other than a head), but there is still a lot to do. I have concentrated on getting the mechanical bits sorted and will do the pretty bits as time (and money) allows.

Regards, Mike

[1930]

I may have found a head as well but I stil will need to verify it is correct, I will have to agree that the casting numbers will be a big help in determining what head you are getting so will wait for that.

Sounds like the head that Ron has may be a good deal as its a bit earlier and prob. the same head, I can hopefully verify this if needed within my books if asked

[SeniorSixCoupe]

The number at the back of the head is a little hard to read. It is either:

AE201333 or AE201323

There is also the letter T followed by a triangle stamped above the number and a large letter A cast into the head after the number.

Have I got the right number?

Regards

Mike

[Ron Lawson]

Jason Thankyou for your input The heads on the 2249 & 2251 series motors only difference is the bore size in the 2251 block Cheers Ron

[1930]

Just to clarify Mike did respond to my offer of help via P.M so only trying to do whats right and not screw anyone up.

Hoping we can all learn something here but be careful, according to the original parts books there were three different ( at least, did not look in any prelim. yet ) part numbers for these heads which means as minute as they may have been chances are there were some changes or possibly the 3 number is just a superceded #.

2249/2251 series 27-28 carried two different heads

1- for car below # 1S-24721 ( in which case would appear to be the 2249 series part # would be 201754

2- For cars after serial # 24721 ( 2251 series ) part # 201767

3- 2252 series ( first car # S-5001 - S-60487) and the D.B Series beginning with car # DB-1 - DB-2999 head carried a part # of 202801

2251......Car no S-54474 .....This is Seniorsix (s) car

2249 .....Car No S-23282 ........This is Ron car/head

Again I dont know what the differences are, I bet I could find out but that might take several hours of digging and hopefull someone here can give us a quick explanation

[SeniorSixCoupe]

Jason

Thank you for the information. Sorry for the slow reply. I have been travelling for most of the day.

I am not sure how to reconcile the information. Does anyone recognize the part number we found on the head on my car?

Regards

Mike

[1930]

I believe its a casting number not a part number, I would see if the casting number matches the head being offered by Ron, if its does than your golden I would think. Even if it does not I would not dismiss the head being offered, I would just tread cautiousely and do some more digging here and other places

Both you and Ron own the cars so as far as information and knowledge on the ins and outs of the cars you are waaay ahead of me

[gundog99]

The casting numbers AE201333 ,are the same on both of these heads, but there are a second set, which I think are the dates of the casting; the green one is in my car and the non painted one its planned replacement (2251?), they look exactly the same but I will only be completely sure when I have taken the original one off the engine.

[2251DB]

nice looking car it will be a lot of fun

I have heads from a 2251 and a 2249 , apart from casting numbers the only
difference I can find is the top water outlet which is interchangeable
between heads

Both heads have the same stud pattern and will fit ok

As Ron said the bore size is the difference between motors

[2251DB]

any progress with the cylinder head

[1930]

any progress with the cylinder head

Good question, curious minds want to know ( how you made out )

[Ron Lawson]

Waiting to hear back from Mike It's a bit hard when I am away from home so much. Not long to go now and the truck [Ford Aeromax] 2 tri axle trailers and convertor dolly [used to conect 2 trailers together to make a Road Train] will be sold. No I am not ill just had enough of being an owner driver 30 yrs Its time to spend some time in the workshop that I have just finished and finaly finish the restoration of my DB Cheers Ron

[gundog99]

On the 32/8/27 there was a recall of ALL Senior cylinder heads these were to be replaced by a redesigned head which has "19" stamped behind the 6 plug, 19 is stamped on my later 7/6/28 (spare) head

[Ron Lawson]

Hello Anthony Could you please let me know where and how you found that information I think its fantastic that this info is still around Cheers Ron