Retroactive sales tax????? - Page 2

imported_Pontiac59 · October 23rd, 2008

Originally Posted By: ted sweet

NY does the same thing, They can dispute the value of any car and bill the added tax.

I once registered a beater with a reciept that said 2 cents on it and never got a challenge, and plenty of others with reciepts under $500 (often the actual price I paid). Have never heard of NY disputing the value of a car. I'm sure if you tried to say you paid scrap price for a brand new car, you might get nailed, but not on an old car with regular plates.

Dave Mitchell · October 31st, 2008

This is Illinois - land of infamous politicians (we are famous for them, be they senators or governors - who we sometimes even put in jail, but not often enough) don't be fooled by the speeches - they are looking for every dollar they can squeeze anywhere to fund the machine and they won't be stopped. If you think you can fight this easily you are wrong - they will take your license and money as just a start and they have that power given by the legislature. They have your bank account number too, don't forget. Your attorney is right, pay it with a smile and don't ever look back, you will lose money besides paying the tax and your heart rate will go up and you won't even enjoy your car anymore. Just wait until we have an Illinois politician running things elsewhere. This state is screwed up, even the democrats can't get along and we have near total gridlock. I used to think other states were worse, but no, I don't think so anymore. I always overestimate the value of my cars for the state, even if they are in pieces, just so I don't have to hear from them. I made the mistake of getting plates (antique) for a car that I didn't drive, but thought that within 5 years I might. I got a proof of insurance letter in the mail and blew it off since the car hadn't moved and I had insurance, so I wasn't breaking any law. The next letter gave me 5 days to prove that I had insurance and outlined serious penalties with draconian fines, and I overnighted that original insurance card to them right now. Sort of ironic since since very few uninsured people are driving collector cars. They are serious, and when you call them, they don't joke around. I am not saying that you deserve to pay the tax, just that it may be easier to do it. These guys at the top really want that money and they force the bureaucrats and state employees to collect as much as they can or they will be replaced.

brh · November 5th, 2008

Originally Posted By: Dave Mitchell

This is Illinois - land of infamous politicians (we are famous for them, be they senators or governors - who we sometimes even put in jail, but not often enough) don't be fooled by the speeches - they are looking for every dollar they can squeeze anywhere to fund the machine and they won't be stopped. If you think you can fight this easily you are wrong - they will take your license and money as just a start and they have that power given by the legislature. They have your bank account number too, don't forget. Your attorney is right, pay it with a smile and don't ever look back, you will lose money besides paying the tax and your heart rate will go up and you won't even enjoy your car anymore. Just wait until we have an Illinois politician running things elsewhere. This state is screwed up, even the democrats can't get along and we have near total gridlock. I used to think other states were worse, but no, I don't think so anymore. I always overestimate the value of my cars for the state, even if they are in pieces, just so I don't have to hear from them. I made the mistake of getting plates (antique) for a car that I didn't drive, but thought that within 5 years I might. I got a proof of insurance letter in the mail and blew it off since the car hadn't moved and I had insurance, so I wasn't breaking any law. The next letter gave me 5 days to prove that I had insurance and outlined serious penalties with draconian fines, and I overnighted that original insurance card to them right now. Sort of ironic since since very few uninsured people are driving collector cars. They are serious, and when you call them, they don't joke around. I am not saying that you deserve to pay the tax, just that it may be easier to do it. These guys at the top really want that money and they force the bureaucrats and state employees to collect as much as they can or they will be replaced.

Another Illinoisian here--pay it, this state will screw you till you are blind. Sorry for the harsh language but I have had my experiences with our fine state government. Its not worth the trouble they will make for you.

rocketraider · November 5th, 2008

What frightens me is that we may ALL get a taste of their style of government soon.

Starfire61 · November 7th, 2008

Ultimately my attorney sent the state a copy of the appraisal along with a letter requesting either an administrative hearing or an outright dismissal. It's been over nine months & I've heard nothing more from them.

The appraiser told me that he's involved with several such Illinois Department of Revenue fishing expeditions each year. Apparently when you "win," the state quietly moves on to easier targets without further acknowledgement, so I guess it will be awhile till I receive my official letter of apology & offer to reimburse my unnecessary expenses....

Originally Posted By: rocketraider

What frightens me is that we may ALL get a taste of their style of government soon.

You don't know the half of it. Illinois is a cesspool. A lot of folks are in for a rude awakening when they receive the "change" that's coming.

Chuck

rocketraider · November 7th, 2008

It's not only IL.

I changed principal garage location on all the old cars last fall after our zealous local state legislator tried to pull the rug out from under antique licensed cars, and I had to re-register all of them anyway. Since I plan to move back to Halifax County in a few years, and maintain a mailing address out there, I figured one more thing to get out of the way before the move. Besides, that's where the cars are living now.

Then I got the personal property tax and local license bill from Halifax County, and be damned if the County didn't have all of the antique licensed cars on it. By state law, antique and vintage licensed vehicles are exempt from property tax and local licensing.

So I call the County revenue office. And they told me that only antique plates are exempt and all vintage plates are subject to taxation and license fees. Since when??? [img]<>/confused.gif[/img]

So I call DMV headquarters in Richmond, and after some 20 minutes wait, got someone who fortunately was familiar with the antique plate laws. That person stated flatly that the County was in violation of state law if they tried to collect those fees on an AV permanent vintage plate (which all of mine are).

Called the County again and got the same babble. Told them I'd already discussed it with DMV headquarters and that I knew for fact that part of the statute had not changed.

Then they say they'd have to check with surrounding counties to see what they were doing. No, you do not need to talk with other revenue offices, you need to talk with the DMV Commissioner.

Finally told them that if it went as far as a legal challenge, the County would lose. And you would be amazed at how quickly their story changed. I had an amended property tax statement in two days.

The only trouble is, that local House member sits on Counties Cities and Towns subcommittee, and I fully expect him to try and monkey with the antique plate statutes again so these money-hungry local governments can tax them at exorbitant assessments.

wombvette · November 13th, 2008

Originally Posted By: pistoncollector

If you don't want to move to NC you can move to SC. Our tax is 5% up to $6000 cost and at that point it tops out at $300 no matter what you pay for the car. You can pay a million dollars for a car and the sales tax is still $300. And property tax is fixed on cars 25 years old also. Its less than $20 per year.

You need to move.

PLEASE, PLEASE people, dont invite more of them down here. We already got enough, and they just come down here. They try to change what we do to the way it was back home. They have made their bed up there. Let um lay in it. [img]<>/laugh.gif[/img]

imported_Pontiac59 · November 13th, 2008

Originally Posted By: Starfire61

Ultimately my attorney sent the state a copy of the appraisal along with a letter requesting either an administrative hearing or an outright dismissal. It's been over nine months & I've heard nothing more from them.

The appraiser told me that he's involved with several such Illinois Department of Revenue fishing expeditions each year. Apparently when you "win," the state quietly moves on to easier targets without further acknowledgement, so I guess it will be awhile till I receive my official letter of apology & offer to reimburse my unnecessary expenses....

Originally Posted By: rocketraider

What frightens me is that we may ALL get a taste of their style of government soon.

You don't know the half of it. Illinois is a cesspool. A lot of folks are in for a rude awakening when they receive the "change" that's coming.

Chuck

You mean I don't get my gas tank filled and my mortgage paid off for free???

bchevy · November 22nd, 2008

Go buy a $100. junker and title it n Md. they have a "minumum" that you pay tax on, like $600.

Get a deal on a newer car? not here, they'll go the the book value and charge you tax on that instead!

BS!