new tax law on driving

[bonnyman]

Did anyone catch the "great idea" proposed by our new head of transportation?Paying by how much you drive plus at least the state tax on gas.It was shot down by the chief of staff but still you wonder how much money they supposedly need.They just got billions in the stimulus package and still hungry for more.There already has been tests done in a couple of states. [img]<>/mad.gif[/img]

[joe_padavano]

Originally Posted By: bonnyman

Did anyone catch the "great idea" proposed by our new head of transportation?Paying by how much you drive plus at least the state tax on gas.It was shot down by the chief of staff but still you wonder how much money they supposedly need.They just got billions in the stimulus package and still hungry for more.There already has been tests done in a couple of states. [img]<>/mad.gif[/img]

And Obama has already said he does not support that idea.

[ted sweet]

but some states are considering it.

[rocketraider]

It will be interesting to see how they try to implement this nonsense. Since my daily driving is split between VA/NC, wonder how either state proposes to levy my tax? And yes, they're making noise about it in Raleigh.

Some people have said they can use GPS units.

Yup. I'm gonna buy a damn GPS for each of my cars, so they can tell where I am, how many miles I've driven, and more to the point how fast I'm traveling.

The logical next step for revenue-hungry states is remote speeding tickets based on what the black box tells them. [img]<>/mad.gif[/img]

Big Brother and 1984 are here, just about 25 years late. Yet there were people who said Orwell was a paranoid nut case. More like a visionary...

[MCHinson]

While I don't think any of these have any reasonable hope of passing the legislature in NC (or hopefully anywhere). There is an easy low tech way to gauge annual mileage. The mileage is recorded once per year at annual vehicle safety inspection. It would not take any high tech hardware to track vehicle mileage.

[R W Burgess]

Matt, does North Carolina require a working speedo?

My inspection guy just writes down the mileage. I seriously doubt he'd ever realize that it's been the same for 5 years! [img]<>/eek.gif[/img] [img]<>/smile.gif[/img]


Wayne

[MCHinson]

Yes, NC does require a working speedometer, also NC sort of requires a working odometer.

§ 20&#8209;344. Operation of vehicle with intent to defraud.

It is unlawful for any person with the intent to defraud to operate a motor vehicle on any street or highway knowing that the odometer of such vehicle is disconnected or nonfunctional. (1973, c. 679, s. 1.)


As long as you never intend to sell a vehicle, or you disclose how long the odometer has been inoperative, you could probably avoid the "intent to defraud" section of that statute, which means you could probably get away with that operation.

[R W Burgess]

When, we in Virginia, re-title a vehicle there is a place on the application to mark, "mileage unknown".

[Terry Bond]

The sad news about all this is the technology is already there and installed in many vehicles - Onstar and other systems are obvious, but just like your cell phones, the ability to track your car and how many miles you drive (and where) is already contained within automotive computer systems. Think about it- eventually when someone in Washington DC decides you've driven enough this month, they would love to have the capabiliy to actually disable your car!

[imported_Julian]

Originally Posted By: joe_padavano

Originally Posted By: bonnyman

Did anyone catch the "great idea" proposed by our new head of transportation?Paying by how much you drive plus at least the state tax on gas.It was shot down by the chief of staff but still you wonder how much money they supposedly need.They just got billions in the stimulus package and still hungry for more.There already has been tests done in a couple of states. [img]<>/mad.gif[/img]

And Obama has already said he does not support that idea.

I hear ya!!..

[R W Burgess]

A good reason to keep our old cars running Terry, even as daily drivers.

I wonder when they are going to pass a law to require older cars to have that "yellow light" reset before getting an inspection? You know the one, the "check engine" that stays on forever, now that you threw the throttle bodies away in lieu of a big Holly on an aluminum intake. [img]<>/eek.gif[/img] [img]<>/smile.gif[/img]

Wayne

[MCHinson]

In NC, cars over 35 years old are exempt from inspection, but modern cars now have to be connected to the DMV computer remotely for the "safety" inspection which requires all trouble codes to be clear before the car will pass the inspection.

[windjamer]

Welcome to the club Matt. NY. has had that system for a few years now. Its a pita. You can turn it off but codes are stored and the vech still wont pass until its driven long enough to self clear codes and run all monators. Guess what, if you spend I am not sure I think its $500. to make repairs (emmision) and the light is still on you can get a one year examption. Go figure.

[durant28]

That's why Florida did away with inspections years ago and I was one for it 100%. I too was a law enforcement officer but still saw so much nonsense it was ridiculous. People would take tires off the car, put a set of borrowed ones on and then pass inspection and put the old back on. Or they would go to the inspection station that was known to be more lenient or busy to get their car through. Some would get failed by one, go down the highway about 30 miles and pass at another. I also saw that many of the states that had the gas stations do the inspection like West Virginia did at one time, were subject to a lot of under the table payments etc. If you had a company with a fleet you could slip the guy some money and he'd pass all your vehicles. Now we only have inspection in some heavily populated counties like Dade, Broward, Hillsborough etc for emissions.

[windjamer]

Mike at one time NY had one of the best safty inspections of all.Then they started to think like Calif., and we all know what comes from Calif. Damm few with horns. The first thing they done was elimanate the inspection of ball joints. What the heck all they do is hold the wheels on. I love it when I see the flat bed draging one in,esp. after we told the owner a mo. previosly the ball joint needed replacement.Next we done away with headlight adj. WHO needs to see?? But by God that fuel tank better have a air tight cap!! That stuf stinks. Go Figure

[oldohioan]

Originally Posted By: joe_padavano

And Obama has already said he does not support that idea.

So much for the 'death' of the mileage tax idea!! Read em and.........

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1002

An excerpt from the document:........
However, a "special commission" created by Congress is still pursuing the idea. And, of course, they are painting a dire situation in order to justify another government intrusion into our private lives.

Its report Thursday warns that if government fails to find a new way to raise money, "we will suffer grim consequences in the future: unimaginable levels of congestion, reduced safety, costlier goods and services, an eroded quality of life, and diminished economic competitiveness as a nation."

"We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled," LaHood said last week.
.........unquote

We are at the mercy of the 'inventive' geniuses inside the beltway around DC!!

[rocketraider]

What's funny and sad is that, when the revolution starts and heads start to roll, like Marie Antoinette these people will have the nerve to be surprised.

[windjamer]

If the powers that be took the gas tax we pay right now and spent it on our roads and highways as it was ment when created,our roads would be paved wiyh gold. Instead it gets put in the local general fund where its easer to steal.
OH Please, hide my soap box.

[Dave@Moon]

Originally Posted By: oldohioan

Originally Posted By: joe_padavano

And Obama has already said he does not support that idea.

So much for the 'death' of the mileage tax idea!! Read em and.........

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1002

An excerpt from the document:........
However, a "special commission" created by Congress is still pursuing the idea. And, of course, they are painting a dire situation in order to justify another government intrusion into our private lives.

Its report Thursday warns that if government fails to find a new way to raise money, "we will suffer grim consequences in the future: unimaginable levels of congestion, reduced safety, costlier goods and services, an eroded quality of life, and diminished economic competitiveness as a nation."

"We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled," LaHood said last week.
.........unquote

We are at the mercy of the 'inventive' geniuses inside the beltway around DC!!

This "article" was written by one Bobby Eberle, a sometime self-styled "journalist" and full-time conservative GOP fundraiser whose best known organization was the Talon News service. This was the "news organization" (probably never more than 4 or 5 people) known for serving up softball questions staight out of the morning "talking points" memos at afternoon White House news briefings in 2003-2005, and for hiring a full-time gay escort/prostitute, James Dale Guckert (a.k.a. James Gannon), as their White House correspondant.

To say that this is a questionably accurate source of information would be one he!! of an understatement.

This is political muckraking designed to scare people into giving money to the conservative organizations that benefit author of the article (financially).

If you believe anything on web sites or in newpapers that come from sources like this, you deserve what you get.

[oldohioan]

So you are claiming that LaHood didnt say those things as quoted???

I guess maybe we do deserve what we get!!!!

[Dave@Moon]

Originally Posted By: oldohioan

So you are claiming that LaHood didnt say those things as quoted???

It's pretty easy to tell when these kinds of beliefs are coming from a religious-like devotion to a political school of thought instead of a serious analytical approach. Those discussions all go the same way here, eventually to the "poof pile". There's no need to pretend differently.

Suffice as to say there is some very serious concern about how roads are going to be maintained as fuel consumption declines in the coming years. (I mentioned the coming increases in C.A.F.E. standards beginning in 2011 on another thread and just the mention of them was deamed too political, so I won't here.)

As alternative fuel vehicles, electric vehicles, and high-mileage hybrid vehicles take over as the norm there is going to be a GIANT drop in the funds available to build and maintain roads. That drop has already begun, and is in fact about 2 years along on a steep curve right now. You can bet that SOME form of tax is going to be raised to make up the difference. If it's a simple fuel tax increase (of the type that has always taken place when funds were needed), it means that old cars will be paying a disproportionally large share of the burden. A mileage-based charge was one means, Orwellian or no, to try and prevent that.

My guess is that your license plates are about to become REALLY expensive no matter what kind of car you drive! You can bet that no system that encourages older cars over newer ones will be allowed to stand no matter what happens. Maybe they will just raise gas taxes, as apparently most people here would prefer.

[Bluesky636]

Roads? We don't need no stinking roads! Flying cars are the wave of the future. [img]<>/grin.gif[/img]

[oldohioan]

Dave, Im not sure I understand why you would criticize what conservatives have to say??

They are trying to help YOU keep YOUR money in YOUR OWN pocket instead of giving it to the illegal aliens and welfare pukes as well as wasting it on pork projects like 'Bridges to Nowhere'.

[Dave@Moon]

Originally Posted By: oldohioan

Dave, Im not sure I understand why you would criticize what conservatives have to say??

They are trying to help YOU keep YOUR money in YOUR OWN pocket instead of giving it to the illegal aliens and welfare pukes as well as wasting it on pork projects like 'Bridges to Nowhere'.

Becuase if I posted something this obviously political, myopic, and off-topic the thread would disappear within minutes. As I type this your comment has lasted more than 5 hours, and probably will remain until someone's dumb enough to take the bait. This is because yours is the conventional and plainly dominant school of thought on all things around here, nearly all others having been driven off by now.

I didn't change my tag line on this forum after 8 years by mistake, or as a plea for physical fitness.

Believe what you want.

[oldohioan]

I have just had my 3rd and final wake up call about the nature of AACA.

I think Im in the wrong sort of forum.

So as they would say in southern Yokohama, Sayonara youall!!