[Dave@Moon]

Originally Posted By: oldohioan

So you are claiming that LaHood didnt say those things as quoted???

It's pretty easy to tell when these kinds of beliefs are coming from a religious-like devotion to a political school of thought instead of a serious analytical approach. Those discussions all go the same way here, eventually to the "poof pile". There's no need to pretend differently.

Suffice as to say there is some very serious concern about how roads are going to be maintained as fuel consumption declines in the coming years. (I mentioned the coming increases in C.A.F.E. standards beginning in 2011 on another thread and just the mention of them was deamed too political, so I won't here.)

As alternative fuel vehicles, electric vehicles, and high-mileage hybrid vehicles take over as the norm there is going to be a GIANT drop in the funds available to build and maintain roads. That drop has already begun, and is in fact about 2 years along on a steep curve right now. You can bet that SOME form of tax is going to be raised to make up the difference. If it's a simple fuel tax increase (of the type that has always taken place when funds were needed), it means that old cars will be paying a disproportionally large share of the burden. A mileage-based charge was one means, Orwellian or no, to try and prevent that.

My guess is that your license plates are about to become REALLY expensive no matter what kind of car you drive! You can bet that no system that encourages older cars over newer ones will be allowed to stand no matter what happens. Maybe they will just raise gas taxes, as apparently most people here would prefer.

[Bluesky636]

Roads? We don't need no stinking roads! Flying cars are the wave of the future. [img]<>/grin.gif[/img]

[oldohioan]

Dave, Im not sure I understand why you would criticize what conservatives have to say??

They are trying to help YOU keep YOUR money in YOUR OWN pocket instead of giving it to the illegal aliens and welfare pukes as well as wasting it on pork projects like 'Bridges to Nowhere'.

[Dave@Moon]

Originally Posted By: oldohioan

Dave, Im not sure I understand why you would criticize what conservatives have to say??

They are trying to help YOU keep YOUR money in YOUR OWN pocket instead of giving it to the illegal aliens and welfare pukes as well as wasting it on pork projects like 'Bridges to Nowhere'.

Becuase if I posted something this obviously political, myopic, and off-topic the thread would disappear within minutes. As I type this your comment has lasted more than 5 hours, and probably will remain until someone's dumb enough to take the bait. This is because yours is the conventional and plainly dominant school of thought on all things around here, nearly all others having been driven off by now.

I didn't change my tag line on this forum after 8 years by mistake, or as a plea for physical fitness.

Believe what you want.

[oldohioan]

I have just had my 3rd and final wake up call about the nature of AACA.

I think Im in the wrong sort of forum.

So as they would say in southern Yokohama, Sayonara youall!!

[R W Burgess]

Don't judge the AACA Forum by one posting or poster Ohio. [img]<>/frown.gif[/img]

Wayne

[Dave@Moon]

Originally Posted By: R W Burgess

Don't judge the AACA Forum by one posting or poster Ohio. [img]<>/frown.gif[/img]

Wayne

Wayne, I think it's pretty obvious he's talking about something P.M.ed to him by one of the other moderators, and I would say appropriately so.

[Zimm63]

Dave has a very valid point. Roads in this country are publicly funded, primarily through taxes on fuel. If/when that source of revenue drops, less roads can be constructed or maintained. Thats a real simple equation to solve.

As a car nut, I want the best roads I can get. While it may be politically expedient to deplore taxation, it is the one thing that makes this country work. Without it, there would not be universal access to education or transportation. Both of these things make this a great country and separate us from much of the rest of the world.

Yeah, taxes are a bite and I don't want a GPS tracking me either. But, from a fairness standpoint, paying by the mile makes a lot of sense. Same with demand pricing for access to certain roads. We can't just keep building the things, we need to find better ways.

A subject well worth discussing.

Zimm

[Ravensmiles]

Sad part is the same people that want a family of six to drive a shoebox on wheels also thinks this is a great idea. there's enough radical tree huggers running around to make sure this thing passes. just look at cash for clunkers.

[Bob LIchty]

The day has already arrived. New cars today already have GPS driven black boxes. Rental car companies track every mile you drive, where you went and how fast. The government will be doing so very soon if not already. Speeding tickets will just be mailed out. Your driving habits right before a crash is already recorded. Ths nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans it is just fact. We better plan on going back to driving or antique cars as daily drivers if we want our privacy.