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    Legislative Alert for Georgia... Tax issue

    Guys and Gals,
    In a nutshell, GA enacted a title tax last year. They later determined that since they dont require titles for many older vehicles that those vehicles were not being taxed due to that loophole. Now they are trying to close that loophole with this bill. They either want a bill of sale to set the value of the non titled vehicles or they will set a value based upon NADA or some as yet to be determined value guide. GA residents will then pay a tax based upon these values. Below you will find the SEMA alert issued on this bill, and a description of the legislation and potential arguments to use against it. Please read it.

    Also note that if the state ultimately sets a value on your vehicle using some guide...you will be taxed at the same higher values as restored vehicles even if your car is a basket case. There is no way the state can fairly determine the value of these older vehicles since they know nothing of the condition etc. This means the tax will be levied in an unfair manner, and therefore is unequal application of the law....just one more reason to defeat this bill.

    Please pass this along to your friends throughout Georgia, so this bill is defeated.


    Legislation (H.B. 80) introduced in the Georgia General Assembly may effectively raise taxes on untitled vehicles that remain subject to the state’s annual ad valorem tax. As a result of a law enacted last year, vehicles that are sold in the state and re-titled in the new owner’s name will be subject to a one-time tax (“New Title Fee”) beginning March 1, 2013. The “New Title Fee” will replace annual ad valorem taxes for titled vehicles sold after March 1, 2013, including vehicles sold and purchased by enthusiasts. However, pre-1963 model year vehicles are not titled and pre-1986 model year vehicles are not required to be titled, so many vehicles would remain subject to the lesser annual assessments even when transferred to a new owner.

    H.B. 80 is designed to close the loophole on un-titled vehicles and would alter the definition of "fair market value” to force vehicle owners subject to the annual tax to pay more by assessing their vehicle’s value at the retail selling price or the value contained within the assessment manual, whichever is greater. Since current law requires antique, hobby, and special interest vehicles to be valued in this manual at only $100 for ad valorem tax purposes, the retail selling price will almost always be the greater of the two values.
    We Urge You to Contact All Members of the Georgia House Ways and Means Committee (List Attached Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 80

    • For purposes of ad valorem taxes on motor vehicles, "antique or hobby or special interest motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle which is 25 years old or older or a motor vehicle which has been designed and manufactured to resemble an antique or historical vehicle.
    • Under current law, pre-1986 vehicles are not required to be titled in Georgia and pre-1963 vehicles cannot be titled in Georgia, so these vehicles cannot be subjected to the “New Title Fee,” but would be subject to an increased annual ad valorem tax.
    • H.B. 80 threatens to raise the annual ad valorem tax on pre-1986 vehicles without titles by assessing their value based on the retail selling price.
    • H.B. 80 ignores the fact that many antique, classic and collectible vehicles are owned and maintained by low and fixed income Americans who are less able to afford a higher, annual tax.
    • H.B. 80 ignores the fact that these older cars are infrequently driven (about one-third the miles each year as a new vehicle) hobby cars and should not be subject to increased tax rates.

    DON’T DELAY! Please contact members of the Georgia House Ways and Means Committee immediately by e-mail to request their opposition to H.B. 80.

    Please e-mail a copy of your letter to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org. Also, please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them tojoin the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your assistance.
    Georgia House Ways and Means Committee

    To e-mail all Committee members, copy and paste the email address block below:
    mickey.channell@house.ga.gov;allen.peake@house.ga.gov; david.knight@house.ga.gov; Stacey.abrams@house.ga.gov;paul.battles@house.ga.gov; sharon.beasley-teague@house.ga.gov; ellis.black@house.ga.gov; bob.bryant@house.ga.gov;john.carson@house.ga.gov; terry.england@house.ga.gov; virgil.fludd@house.ga.gov;ben.harbin@house.ga.gov; brett.harrell@house.ga.gov; penny.houston@house.ga.gov;chuck.martin@house.ga.gov; howard.mosby@house.ga.gov; larry.oneal@house.ga.gov;votebjpak@gmail.com; don.parsons@house.ga.gov;alan.powell@house.ga.gov; matt.ramsey@house.ga.gov; tom.rice@house.ga.gov;lynne.riley@house.ga.gov; chuck.sims@house.ga.gov; mickey.stephens@house.ga.gov;ron.stephens@house.ga.gov; willie.talton@house.ga.gov; Wendell.willard@house.ga.gov;bruce.williamson@house.ga.gov
    Representative Mickey Channell (Chairman)
    Phone: 404/656-5103
    Email: mickey.channell@house.ga.gov
    Representative Allen Peake (Vice Chairman)
    Phone: 404/656-5025
    Email: allen.peake@house.ga.gov
    Representative David Knight (Secretary)
    Phone: 404/656-7855
    Email: david.knight@house.ga.gov
    Representative Stacey Abrams
    Phone: 404/656-5058
    Email: Stacey.abrams@house.ga.gov
    Representative Paul Battles
    Phone: 404/656-0152
    Email: paul.battles@house.ga.gov
    Representative Sharon Beasley-Teague
    Phone: 404/656-0220
    Email: sharon.beasley-teague@house.ga.gov
    Representative Ellis Black
    Phone: 404/656-0287
    Email: ellis.black@house.ga.gov
    Representative Bob Bryant
    Phone: 404/656-0298
    Email: bob.bryant@house.ga.gov
    Representative John Carson
    Phone: 404/656-0287
    Email: john.carson@house.ga.gov
    Representative Terry England
    Phone: 404/463-2247
    Email: terry.england@house.ga.gov
    Representative Virgil Fludd
    Phone: 404/656-0314
    Email: virgil.fludd@house.ga.gov
    Representative Ben Harbin
    Phone: 404/656-3949
    Email: ben.harbin@house.ga.gov
    Representative Brett Harrell
    Phone: 404/656-0254
    Email: brett.harrell@house.ga.gov
    Representative Penny Houston
    Phone: 404/463-2247
    Email: penny.houston@house.ga.gov
    Representative Chuck Martin
    Phone: 404/656-5064
    Email: chuck.martin@house.ga.gov
    Representative Howard Mosby
    Phone: 404/656-0287
    Email: howard.mosby@house.ga.gov
    Representative Larry O`Neal
    Phone: 404/656-5052
    Email: larry.oneal@house.ga.gov
    Representative B.J. Pak
    Phone: 404/656-0254
    Email: votebjpak@gmail.com
    Representative Don Parsons
    Phone: 404/656-9198
    Email: don.parsons@house.ga.gov
    Representative Alan Powell
    Phone: 404/656-0202
    Email: alan.powell@house.ga.gov
    Representative Matt Ramsey
    Phone: 404/656-7146
    Email: matt.ramsey@house.ga.gov
    Representative Tom Rice
    Phone: 404/656-5912
    Email: tom.rice@house.ga.gov
    Representative Lynne Riley
    Phone: 404/656-0188
    Email: lynne.riley@house.ga.gov
    Representative Chuck Sims
    Phone: 404/656-7855
    Email: chuck.sims@house.ga.gov
    Representative Mickey Stephens
    Phone: 404/656-0116
    Email: mickey.stephens@house.ga.gov
    Representative Ron Stephens
    Phone: 404/656-5115
    Email: ron.stephens@house.ga.gov
    Representative Willie Talton
    Phone: 404/656-5116
    Email: willie.talton@house.ga.gov
    Representative Wendell Willard
    Phone: 404/656-5125
    Email: Wendell.willard@house.ga.gov
    Representative Bruce Williamson
    Phone: 404/656-7859
    Email: bruce.williamson@house.ga.gov

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    Re: Legislative Alert for Georgia... Tax issue

    Thanks for posting, Tom. And thanks for spending so much time (and money) as a watchdog for the entire collector car community.
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    Re: Legislative Alert for Georgia... Tax issue

    Thanks indeed Tom. I have emailed all those listed as well passed the word around to friends via email.

    It appears Harry Geisinger mailto:harry.geisinger@house.ga.gov and Tom Rice mailto:tqgrice@aol.com are sponsoring the bill so would be the ones to really seek explanations from and let know that all antique auto enthusiasts don't have deep pockets like the ones they see on TV at Barret Jackson.

    House is in session from January 28 - March 5th, so we need to get the word out now, if it isn't already too late.

    Here's the long version > http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/...20132014/HB/80
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    Lamar in Athens, Georgia
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    Re: Legislative Alert for Georgia... Tax issue

    TTT
    Lamar in Athens, Georgia
    BCA- 39474
    ROA - 14537


    1954 BUICK - THE BEAUTIFUL BUY
    1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB
    1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup
    1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT 3 Speed - '54 Muscle aka Morning Glory
    1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan-The Blue Bird
    An assortment of 14 '54,'55,'56 parts cars

    No dog ever peed on a moving Buick






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    Re: Legislative Alert for Georgia... Tax issue

    City I live in tried using NADA values to set tax values on old cars way back in 1990, with predictable results.

    At the time I owned a 73 Delta 88 convertible that had been a $100 car for taxes for years. The year NADA set the tax values, it suddenly became a $2000 car for tax purposes- a 2000% increase in value on the same car in the same condition. Naturally I challenged it, but the city tax folks could not explain to me why that car had suddenly become so much more valuable as a taxable asset. They kept mumbling about NADA had set the values by the serial numbers. So, I asked, why is that VIN worth so much more than all other 1973 Oldsmobiles, which were still all $100 cars for taxes? I knew it was because of the convertible designation, but it was the principle of the thing. I was really glad when that car hit 25 yrs old and I could put antique tags on it, and get it out of the personal property tax system completely, though I'm sure our friendly local Vajenya legislator will try to monkey with that again soon.

    Friend had a 67 Camaro that was really little more than a parts car, and they socked him with a tax bill based on a fully restored #1 car. He took pictures of the car to the tax office and still ended up having to get a lawyer involved to make the revenue hounds back off.

    Reagan was right about guvmink mindset: "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it."
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    Re: Legislative Alert for Georgia... Tax issue

    Update


    Yea(159)Nay(4)


    Who voted how House Vote #54 - 2013-2014 Regular Session


    Final Bill - HB*80*2013-2014 Regular Session
    Lamar in Athens, Georgia
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    1954 BUICK - THE BEAUTIFUL BUY
    1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB
    1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup
    1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT 3 Speed - '54 Muscle aka Morning Glory
    1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan-The Blue Bird
    An assortment of 14 '54,'55,'56 parts cars

    No dog ever peed on a moving Buick






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