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    CT Again; Do we want the state setting taxes on our old cars???

    More good news... via a broadcast message from 4-Cs rep received yesterday, 3/10/2012 (and let me see if I can paste in his attached document in at the very bottom also):

    -----Original Message-----
    From: DABajumpaa
    To: dabajumpaa
    Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:15 pm
    Subject: 4C's Legislative Update: HB5405 - Increasing Max. Assessed Value of Antique Cars

    Fellow CT Council of Car Clubs (4C's) Members:

    Yesterday (March 9, 2012), I provided oral and written testimony on behalf of the 4C's at the public hearing on House Bill 5405. House Bill 5405 proposes to impose a state wide mill rate for all motor vehicle property taxes. This means if you live in a city/town with a relatively low mill rate, you will end up paying more in local property taxes to subsidize others that live in a city/town with a relatively high mill rate. The state will act as the middleman to redistribute these funds. House Bill 5405 also proposes to increase the minimum age of an antique, rare or special interest vehicle from its current 20 year age to 30 years. The bill also raises the maximum property tax assessment on antique, rare or special interest vehicles from the current $500 limit to $2500 dollars.

    Attached is House Bill 5405, "An Act Establishing a State-Wide Mill Rate for Motor Vehicles and Amending the Definition of Antique, Rare or Special Interest Motor Vehicles." It is a .pdf file - the same as that sent out in my E-mail last Saturday. The proposal to raise the maximum property tax assessment from $500 to $2500 starts on page 5 of 8, line 132 (Section 3 - which proposes to revise Subsection (b) of Section 12-71 of the General Statutes). The proposal to raise the minimum age of an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle from 20 to 30 years starts on page 7 of 8, line 187 (Section 5 - which proposes to revise Subdivision (2) of Section 14-1 of the General Statutes). When reading this, note that text enclosed in brackets [ ] is being deleted. Underlined text is being added to the statute. If the text is neither contained in brackets or underlined, it is the current statute text that is not being changed.

    At the public hearing yesterday, the House Democratic Majority Leader Brendan Sharkey spoke in favor of the bill followed by Rep. Jeff Berger from Waterbury. The problem or inequity that they are trying to fix is that an individual who lives in a high mill rate municipality pays considerably more property tax on their motor vehicle than a person in a low mill rate municipality for the same motor vehicle. We can agree that this is not really fair. From the testimony, a number of residents that live in these high mill rate municipalities seek out ways to reduce their tax burden by illegally registering their motor vehicle in a municipality with a lower mill rate, even though it is garaged in the higher mill rate town. The representatives indicate this is a significant problem.

    What was most troubling to me about their testimony was when Representative Sharkey expressed that the proposed increase in the antique car assessment from $500 to $2500 will help offset the costs of this program. I am concerned that if the state is successful in taking over this local property tax and raising the maximum assessment on antique cars from $500 to $2500, this would only be a first step. With the availability of state resources to study the value of antique cars being much greater than at the local level, I can easily envision the state seeking higher and higher taxes on antique cars in future legislative sessions as a way to fund this redistribution of tax revenue from low to high mill rate municipalities. In my opinion, we need to do what we can to prevent the state from taking over this local property tax.

    One encouraging thought came from a member of the Planning and Development Committee (Representative Christopher Davis - Republican - Ellington and East Windsor). Rep. Davis asked why not just allow municipalities to charge a separate mill rate for motor vehicles (the same for everyone in the state to fix the stated problem) and adjust the mill rate on other property in a town to cover the balance of the municipalities budget. (In other words, keep the local property tax local, and not redistribute any tax revenue from a low mill rate municipality to a higher mill rate municipality.) Personally, I am much more agreeable to this concept than the state taking over this local property tax. Perhaps we should get behind this concept and let our legislators know. Who knows, even though it came from a Republican, maybe it can get some traction, and indirectly help our hobby?

    Provided below is my oral testimony on this aspect of HB 5405:

    As an individual taxpayer, I am opposed to the state wide mill rate for motor vehicles as proposed. This will result in a tax increase to those Connecticut residents who happen to live in a municipality with low mil rate. This takeover of a local property tax by the state, and the redistribution of tax dollars from lower mil rate towns to higher mil rate towns is not appropriate. I am also concerned that the costs to administer such a program will increase everyone's tax burden. The state should not be taking on this additional burden in these difficult economic times. That being said, I want to focus my testimony on the portions of House Bill 5405 that adversely impacts the antique automotive hobby...

    Provided below is my testimony on the portions of HB 5405 that specifically pertain to the antique auto hobby:

    The 4Cís is opposed to the portion of House Bill 5405 that raises the maximum assessed value of an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle from $500 to $2500. We believe the proposed change is not warranted considering that antique automotive hobbyists already pay their fair share of property taxes on the other motor vehicles we use as primary transportation. Also, the proposed change is not warranted considering the significant benefits the hobby provides to the community.

    Antique automotive hobbyists in this state have other motor vehicles that are used as primary transportation. We refer to them as "daily drivers." These vehicles are subject to the same property taxes that everyone else in the state pays. Because of this, antique automotive hobbyists are already paying their fair share of property taxes on motor vehicles. Unlike many other hobbies, our hobby requires us to register our antique, rare or special interest motor vehicles. Since they are registered, these hobby vehicles are easier to identify for the purpose of accessing property tax than other hobbies. Hobbyists, such as those that collect artwork, furniture, stamps, coins, or rare books, cannot be easily identified for the purposes of assessing property tax, and are not taxed. Increasing the maximum property tax assessment of antique, rare or special interest motor vehicles would unfairly put the antique automotive hobbyists in a situation where the tax burden associated with their hobby would be excessive, as compared to other hobbies.

    In addition, the antique automotive hobbyist provides benefits to the community that many other hobbies donít provide. There are several car shows each weekend in the state throughout the late spring, summer, and early fall. These car shows benefit many Connecticut charities and organizations, resulting in significant revenues to these charities and organizations. In addition, on any given weekday night, there are several cruise nights in Connecticut where automotive hobbyists gather. These car shows and cruise nights result in increased spending at restaurants and local business throughout the state, helping improve the state economy. Also, the use of antique, rare or special interest vehicles in local parades and other city and town functions throughout the state provide a significant positive benefit to the community. The availability of antique, rare or special interest motor vehicles is also a benefit to the developing film business in Connecticut. Increasing the assessed value of an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle would have an adverse impact on the antique automotive hobby that provides these significant benefits to the state.

    Based on the above, the Connecticut Council of Car Clubs is strongly opposed to the provision of House Bill 5405 that proposes to increase the maximum assessed value of an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle from $500 to $2500.

    House Bill 5405 also proposes to increase the minimum age of an antique, rare or special interest vehicle from 20 to 30 years. The Connecticut Council of Car Clubs would prefer that the minimum age of an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle not be changed. It is not clear that any benefit associated with increasing the minimum age from 20 to 30 years outweighs the potential burden hobbyists that currently own vehicles between 20 and 30 years old may encounter having to reregister their motor vehicles. Currently, the state statutes allow the DMV to issue special number plates (or antique plates) to antique, rare or special interest motor vehicles greater than 20 years old. If the minimum age is changes to 30 years, it is not clear whether those motor vehicles with special number plates would be "grandfathered" or they need to turn those plates in and reregister their motor vehicles with a different plate. The hobby would be more receptive to this proposed change if current vehicles with special number plates are not required to reregister their motor vehicles.

    The 4Cís respectfully requests that the Planning and Development Committee delete the portion of House Bill 5405 that increases the assessed value for an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle from $500 to $2500. Additionally, if the Committee feels it necessary to raise the age of an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle from 20 to 30 years, then we request that consideration be given to allowing 20 to 30 year old antique, rare or special interest motor vehicles that currently have special number plates to continue to utilize them.

    We continue to urge hobbyists to contact their legislator (particularly if they are members of the Planning and Development Committee - a list of committee members is included at the end of this E-mail) to indicate their opposition to these portions of House Bill 5405. (Should these issues adverse to the hobby continue to appear in the version of the bill that comes out of the Planning and Development Committee later this session, we will be asking you to contact your legislators again.)

    Dave Bajumpaa
    Connecticut Council of Car Clubs


    Connecticut Joint Committee on Planning and Development

    To e-mail all Committee members, copy and paste the email address block below:

    Vincent.Candelora@housegop.ct.gov; christopher.davis@housegop.ct.gov; Mae.Flexer@cga.ct.gov; Mary.Fritz@cga.ct.gov; Noreen.Kokoruda@housegop.ct.gov; roland.lemar@cga.ct.gov; Elaine.OBrien@cga.ct.gov; jason.perillo@housegop.ct.gov; Lonnie.Reed@cga.ct.gov; Tom.Reynolds@cga.ct.gov; Matthew.Ritter@cga.ct.gov; Jason.Rojas@cga.ct.gov; Kim.Rose@cga.ct.gov; bill.simanski@housegop.ct.gov; richard.smith@housegop.ct.gov; steve.cassano@cga.ct.gov; Linda.Gentile@cga.ct.gov; Eric.Coleman@cga.ct.gov; Auden.Grogins@cga.ct.gov; Len.Fasano@cga.ct.gov; Bill.Aman@cga.ct.gov

    Senator Steve Cassano (Co-Chair)
    Phone: 860-240-5302
    Email: steve.cassano@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Linda Gentile (Co-Chair)
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Linda.Gentile@cga.ct.gov


    Senator Eric D. Coleman (Vice Chair)
    Phone: 860-240-0528
    Email: Eric.Coleman@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Auden C. Grogins (Vice Chair)
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Auden.Grogins@cga.ct.gov


    Senator Len Fasano
    Phone: 800-842-1421
    Email: Len.Fasano@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Bill Aman
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: Bill.Aman@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Vincent Candelora
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: Vincent.Candelora@housegop.ct.gov


    Representative Christopher Davis
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: christopher.davis@housegop.ct.gov


    Representative Mae Flexer
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Mae.Flexer@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Mary G. Fritz
    Phone: 860-240-8500
    Email: Mary.Fritz@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Noreen Kokoruda
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: Noreen.Kokoruda@housegop.ct.gov


    Representative Roland Lemar
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: roland.lemar@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Elaine O'Brien
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Elaine.OBrien@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Jason Perillo
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: jason.perillo@housegop.ct.gov


    Representative Lonnie Reed
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Lonnie.Reed@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Tom Reynolds
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Tom.Reynolds@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Matt Ritter
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Matthew.Ritter@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Jason Rojas
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Jason.Rojas@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Kim Rose
    Phone: 860-240-8585
    Email: Kim.Rose@cga.ct.gov


    Representative Bill Simanski
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: bill.simanski@housegop.ct.gov


    Representative Richard Smith
    Phone: 800-842-1423
    Email: richard.smith@housegop.ct.gov


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    General Assembly Raised Bill No. 5405
    February Session, 2012 LCO No. 1688
    *01688_______PD_*
    Referred to Committee on Planning and Development
    Introduced by:
    (PD)
    AN ACT ESTABLISHING A STATE-WIDE MILL RATE FOR MOTOR
    VEHICLES AND AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF ANTIQUE, RARE
    OR SPECIAL INTEREST MOTOR VEHICLES.
    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General
    Assembly convened:
    1 Section 1. (NEW) (Effective July 1, 2012, and applicable to assessment
    2 years commencing on or after October 1, 2012) (a) For purposes of this
    3 section:
    4 (1) "Discrepancy amount" is equal to the difference of (A) the
    5 amount of tax revenue actually collected under the state-wide mill rate
    6 by a municipality with a local mill rate that is higher than the state7
    wide mill rate, as certified to the Secretary of the Office of Policy and
    8 Management pursuant to subsection (c) of this section, and (B) the
    9 amount of tax revenue such municipality would have collected under
    10 the local mill rate, assuming the same collection rate as the actual
    11 collection rate, as certified to the Secretary of the Office of Policy and
    12 Management pursuant to subsection (c) of this section;
    13 (2) "State-wide mill rate" is the median of the local mill rates in all
    14 municipalities of the state for the assessment year in which such stateRaised
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    15 wide mill rate is calculated; and
    16 (3) "Excess collection amount" is equal to the difference of (A) the
    17 amount of tax revenue actually collected under the state-wide mill rate
    18 by a municipality with a local mill rate that is lower than the state19
    wide mill rate, as certified to the Secretary of the Office of Policy and
    20 Management pursuant to subsection (c) of this section, and (B) the
    21 amount of tax revenue such municipality would have collected under
    22 the local mill rate, assuming the same collection rate as the actual
    23 collection rate, as certified to the Secretary of the Office of Policy and
    24 Management pursuant to subsection (c) of this section.
    25 (b) On or before September 1, 2012, and each September first
    26 thereafter, the Secretary of the Office of Policy and Management shall
    27 calculate the state-wide mill rate for the purpose of levying property
    28 tax on motor vehicles subject to taxation under chapter 203 of the
    29 general statutes. The secretary shall notify the assessors of each
    30 municipality of the state-wide mill rate. For assessment years
    31 commencing on or after October 1, 2012, the assessor of each
    32 municipality shall calculate the amount of motor vehicle property tax
    33 due from each taxpayer based on the state-wide mill rate determined
    34 by said secretary.
    35 (c) Effective for fiscal years commencing on or after July 1, 2013, the
    36 tax collector of each municipality shall collect the property tax with
    37 respect to motor vehicles and, not later than the fifteenth day of
    38 October, January, April and July, (1) remit any excess collection
    39 amount realized in the preceding calendar quarter to the
    40 Commissioner of Revenue Services for deposit into the motor vehicle
    41 property tax account established under section 2 of this act, and (2)
    42 certify to the Secretary of the Office of Policy and Management, on a
    43 form prescribed by said secretary, the amount of tax revenue that such
    44 municipality (A) would have collected in the preceding calendar
    45 quarter with respect to the property tax on motor vehicles under
    46 sections 12-71 and 12-71b of the general statutes except for the
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    47 application of the state-wide mill rate calculated by said secretary
    48 pursuant to this section, and (B) actually collected with respect to such
    49 property tax in the preceding calendar quarter under the state-wide
    50 mill rate, together with such supporting information as said secretary
    51 shall require. For the purposes of calculating the amount a
    52 municipality would have collected except for the application of the
    53 state-wide mill rate, the tax collector shall assume that the municipality
    54 would have realized the same tax collection rate as the actual tax
    55 collection rate in the preceding calendar quarter. Such remittance and
    56 certification shall be made in each calendar quarter commencing on
    57 October 1, 2013, except that no such remittance or certification shall be
    58 made for any calendar quarter after July 15, 2018.
    59 (d) (1) Effective for fiscal years commencing on or after July 1, 2013,
    60 the secretary shall, not later than the first day of November, February,
    61 May and August, calculate: (A) For each municipality with a mill rate
    62 higher than the state-wide mill rate, the discrepancy amount for such
    63 municipality in the preceding calendar quarter; and (B) for each
    64 municipality with a mill rate lower than the state-wide mill rate, the
    65 amount equal to five per cent of the tax revenue such municipality
    66 would have collected in the preceding calendar quarter except for the
    67 state-wide mill rate. Such calculations shall be based on the amounts
    68 certified and any supporting information provided to said secretary
    69 pursuant to subsection (c) of this section. Such calculations shall be
    70 made in each calendar quarter commencing on November 1, 2013,
    71 except that no such calculations shall be made after the calendar
    72 quarter preceding August 1, 2018.
    73 (2) Effective for fiscal years commencing on or after July 1, 2013, the
    74 secretary shall, not later than the first day of November, February, May
    75 and August, certify to the Comptroller the motor vehicle property tax
    76 payment due to each municipality as follows:
    77 (A) For any municipality with a mill rate higher than the state-wide
    78 mill rate: (i) For the period of time beginning November 1, 2013, and
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    79 ending October 31, 2014, such municipality shall receive a quarterly
    80 motor vehicle property tax payment equal to the discrepancy amounts
    81 calculated by the secretary pursuant to subparagraph (A) of
    82 subdivision (1) of this subsection for any tax revenue due under the
    83 assessment year commencing October 1, 2012; (ii) for the period of
    84 time beginning November 1, 2014, and ending October 31, 2015, such
    85 municipality shall receive a quarterly motor vehicle property tax
    86 payment equal to eighty per cent of the discrepancy amount calculated
    87 by the secretary pursuant to subparagraph (A) of subdivision (1) of
    88 this subsection for any tax revenue due under the assessment year
    89 commencing October 1, 2013; (iii) for the period of time beginning
    90 November 1, 2015, and ending October 31, 2016, such municipality
    91 shall receive a quarterly motor vehicle property tax payment equal to
    92 sixty per cent of the discrepancy amount calculated by the secretary
    93 pursuant to subparagraph (A) of subdivision (1) of this subsection for
    94 any tax revenue due under the assessment year commencing October
    95 1, 2014; (iv) for the period of time beginning November 1, 2016, and
    96 ending October 31, 2017, such municipality shall receive a quarterly
    97 motor vehicle property tax payment equal to forty per cent of the
    98 discrepancy amount calculated by the secretary pursuant to
    99 subparagraph (A) of subdivision (1) of this subsection for any tax
    100 revenue due under the assessment year commencing October 1, 2015;
    101 (v) for the period of time beginning November 1, 2017, and ending
    102 October 31, 2018, such municipality shall receive a quarterly motor
    103 vehicle property tax payment equal to twenty per cent of the
    104 discrepancy amount calculated by the secretary pursuant to
    105 subparagraph (A) of subdivision (1) of this subsection for any tax
    106 revenue due under the assessment year commencing October 1, 2016.
    107 (B) For any municipality with a mill rate that is lower than the state108
    wide mill rate, for the period of time beginning November 1, 2013, and
    109 ending October 31, 2018, any such municipality shall receive a
    110 quarterly motor vehicle property tax payment equal to the amount
    111 calculated by the secretary pursuant to subparagraph (B) of
    112 subdivision (1) of this subsection.
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    113 (3) Effective for fiscal years commencing on or after July 1, 2013, the
    114 Comptroller shall draw an order on the Treasurer on or before the
    115 fifteenth calendar day following November first, February first, May
    116 first and August first, and the Treasurer shall pay the amount thereof
    117 from the motor vehicle property tax account to such municipality on or
    118 before the fifteenth calendar day following said dates.
    119 (e) If there are any remaining funds in the motor vehicle property
    120 tax account after the amount of the payments described in subsection
    121 (d) of this section are calculated, such funds shall be carried over into
    122 the following fiscal year. If there are any remaining funds in said
    123 account on December 1, 2018, the secretary shall transfer such funds to
    124 the General Fund.
    125 Sec. 2. (NEW) (Effective October 1, 2012, and applicable to assessment
    126 years commencing on or after said date) There is established an account to
    127 be known as the "motor vehicle property tax account" which shall be a
    128 separate, nonlapsing account within the General Fund. The account
    129 shall contain any moneys required by law to be deposited in the
    130 account. Moneys in the account shall be expended by the State
    131 Treasurer for the purposes of section 1 of this act.
    132 Sec. 3. Subsection (b) of section 12-71 of the general statutes is
    133 repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective
    134 October 1, 2012, and applicable to assessment years commencing on or after
    135 said date):
    136 (b) Except as otherwise provided by the general statutes, property
    137 subject to this section shall be valued at the same percentage of its then
    138 actual valuation as the assessors have determined with respect to the
    139 listing of real estate for the same year, except that any antique, rare or
    140 special interest motor vehicle, as defined in section 14-1, shall be
    141 assessed at a value of not more than two thousand five hundred
    142 dollars. The owner of such antique, rare or special interest motor
    143 vehicle may be required by the assessors to provide reasonable
    144 documentation that such motor vehicle is an antique, rare or special
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    145 interest motor vehicle, provided any motor vehicle for which special
    146 number plates have been issued pursuant to section 14-20 shall not be
    147 required to provide any such documentation. The provisions of this
    148 section shall not include money or property actually invested in
    149 merchandise or manufacturing carried on out of this state or
    150 machinery or equipment which would be eligible for exemption under
    151 subdivision (72) of section 12-81 once installed and which cannot begin
    152 or which has not begun manufacturing, processing or fabricating; or
    153 which is being used for research and development, including
    154 experimental or laboratory research and development, design or
    155 engineering directly related to manufacturing or being used for the
    156 significant servicing, overhauling or rebuilding of machinery and
    157 equipment for industrial use or the significant overhauling or
    158 rebuilding of other products on a factory basis or being used for
    159 measuring or testing or metal finishing or in the production of motion
    160 pictures, video and sound recordings.
    161 Sec. 4. Section 12-71d of the general statutes is repealed and the
    162 following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective July 1, 2012):
    163 On or before the first day of October each year, the Secretary of the
    164 Office of Policy and Management shall recommend a schedule of
    165 motor vehicle values [which] that shall be used by assessors in each
    166 municipality in determining the assessed value of motor vehicles for
    167 purposes of property taxation. Such schedule shall include motor
    168 vehicle values for motor vehicles up to thirty years old. For every
    169 vehicle not listed in the schedule the determination of the assessed
    170 value of any motor vehicle for purposes of the property tax assessment
    171 list in any municipality shall continue to be the responsibility of the
    172 assessor in such municipality, provided the legislative body of the
    173 municipality may, by resolution, approve any change in the assessor's
    174 method of valuing motor vehicles. Any appeal from the findings of
    175 assessors concerning motor vehicle values shall be made in accordance
    176 with provisions related to such appeals under this chapter. Such
    177 schedule of values shall include, to the extent that information for such
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    178 purpose is available, the value for assessment purposes of any motor
    179 vehicle currently in use. [The value for each motor vehicle as listed
    180 shall represent one hundred per cent of the average retail price
    181 applicable to such motor vehicle in this state as of the first day of
    182 October in such year as determined by said secretary in cooperation
    183 with the Connecticut Association of Assessing Officers.] Said secretary
    184 shall determine the value for each motor vehicle as listed, provided no
    185 motor vehicle shall be assessed based on the fair market value
    186 applicable to such motor vehicle.
    187 Sec. 5. Subdivision (2) of section 14-1 of the 2012 supplement to the
    188 general statutes, as amended by section 37 of public act 10-110 and
    189 section 61 of public act 11-213, is repealed and the following is
    190 substituted in lieu thereof (Effective October 1, 2012):
    191 (2) "Antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle" means a motor
    192 vehicle [twenty] thirty years old or older which is being preserved
    193 because of historic interest and which is not altered or modified from
    194 the original manufacturer's specifications;
    195 Sec. 6. Section 12-122a of the general statutes is repealed. (Effective
    196 October 1, 2012)
    This act shall take effect as follows and shall amend the following
    sections:
    Section 1 July 1, 2012, and
    applicable to assessment
    years commencing on or
    after October 1, 2012
    New section
    Sec. 2 October 1, 2012, and
    applicable to assessment
    years commencing on or
    after said date
    New section
    Sec. 3 October 1, 2012, and
    applicable to assessment
    years commencing on or
    after said date
    12-71(b)
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    Sec. 4 July 1, 2012 12-71d
    Sec. 5 October 1, 2012 14-1(2)
    Sec. 6 October 1, 2012 Repealer section
    Statement of Purpose:
    To simplify the motor vehicle taxation system, encourage the
    registration of vehicles and narrow property tax benefits for antique
    cars.
    [Proposed deletions are enclosed in brackets. Proposed additions are indicated by underline,
    except that when the entire text of a bill or resolution or a section of a bill or resolution is new, it is
    not underlined.]



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    Re: CT Again; Do we want the state setting taxes on our old cars???

    Steve,
    you did a good job pasting it in. I also thought we should mention just how much money the stamp, doll, art, clock (and even match book, beer can) and any other collectors you think of spend for gasoline (heavy CT tax), repairs, parts (wax and polish) repairs and on in this state. If the car hobby shrinks in CT, which it will in my opinion, the state economy loses that business and the state government loses the tax on these good and services. I sense a need for perhaps a car rally in Hartford, if they persist.
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    Re: CT Again; Do we want the state setting taxes on our old cars???

    This is the second year for this legislation. Additional considerations, (although Dave does a great job of representing our collective interests in CT & Stock Steve keeps those of us on this forum up to speed) Of course I was angry when I first read this from Steve but the key is to calmly make the points above, and maybe these additional considerations:

    Those cars in the 20 - 30 year old range are usually at or near the bottom of their value curve, with a long time to go if they do appreciate in value. Antique status encourages good examples to be saved for the future, and often represent an affordable way to get into the hobby.

    Contrary to what some believe, most hobbyists are not wealthy and as has been pointed out, taxes are already being paid on "daily drivers" - this would be an especially difficult burden for older, retired hobbyists on a fixed income in a high tax state to begin with. It would be a shame to push them out of their hobby after they have already paid their share of taxes over the years while working.

    I would also note that the same guy as last year is pushing this legislation, hopefully those hobbyists in his district remember that at election time - appears that despite meeting with him last year he is still intent on adding to the myriad of taxes CT people already have to contend with.

    With spring comes the pre-scheduling for our many shows in CT, I would suggest perhaps those clubs that put out an annual mailer add a section to inform hobbyists about this, and leverage our shows to remind attendees who supports this and who does not. Unfortunately, with some representatives, no matter what reasons you present if they think their idea is better they will yes you to death, and go do what they want anyway. But they all seem to understand votes, it is time for us to act in CT, and if we can give a strong message that we will vote based on this issue, they just may get it.
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    Well said Steve M. I think this is another venue were we might reach some car people in the state beyond those on thge 4c's list. This was killed last year, I think because of the combining with the common mill rate for cars throughout the state. And it may well die again, but who knows. I am not sure of the govenor and representatives logic other then to capture as much tax as possible, but I think they are just pushing to the breaking point.

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    Thanks John (BTW I did not forget you, I have your book, see you soon!!).

    Here is one other thought on this subject that may make sense to convey to your local representatives. Once a car in most any CT town hits 20 years old, if it has been in CT since day one, 99% of the time (possible exceptions could perhaps be exotics or a very few special interest cars) the property taxes paid in the course of 20 years equal or exceed the current value of the vehicle. Isn't that enough taxes on one vehicle???
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    It's too bad that Connecticut=TAXES, every which way you look. I grew up there in the '70's and '80's, but left due to high taxes and no jobs, even with a college degree! I feel your pain--the state forced just about every decent employer out, can provide no jobs for Gen-X-er's and beyond, and it makes up for it by high taxes. Would I live there if I could? You betcha! However, earning slightly above minimum wage in a high-priced area is NOT my idea of a good time. My two cents worth.

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    Glad I don't live in CT. It's obvious they haven't figured out that such taxes on personal property is usually more costly to assess, collect, and enforce than the revenue it yields. Not real smart!
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    Who said they "were smart". They are just not interested in the long term. I have no idea what they expect to have the future hold here in CT. And Steve, thanks for those other ideas for arguments as we write to our representatives.

    We better get together for the book, before they figure out how to collect sales tax on it.

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    One positive is an extremely busy short session; that said, the driver behind this is the never ending desire to reduce local control and revenue; so it does pay to follow up with your legislators if you live in CT.

    John, book has your name on it, sir - looking forward to seeing you soon!!
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    this bill passed in committee late last week by a 10 - 9 margin. Moves assessment from $500 to $2,500 and antique status to 30 years; and sets a state mill rate for ALL vehicles, not just antiques. Bad bill in general, another piece of local control eroding in CT if this happens. NOW is the time to contact your legislators to oppose this bill.

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    Good News (for the time being, anyway?!) on the Legislative Front (sorry so late posting this follow-up)...

    A broadcast e-mail dated 5/10/2012 was received from D.A. Bajumpaa (DABajumpaa@aol.com) of the Connecticut Council of Car Clubs (CTccc.net - The Connecticut Council of Car Clubs), with a subject line of: “4C's Legislative Update: 2012 Legislative Session Ends with Good News!” The body of the e-mail read as follows:

    “…Thanks to the efforts of Connecticut automotive hobbyists, I have good news to report as the 2012 Legislative Session has come to an end last night.

    House Bill 5405, which proposed to introduce a state wide mill rate on all motor vehicles, raise the maximum property tax assessed value of an antique car from $500 to $2500, and increase the age of an antique car from 20 to 30 years is dead. The bill, which narrowly made it out of committee and was sitting on the House calendar for a vote, did not get voted on by the full House (or the Senate). As such, the maximum $500 assessed value on an antique, rare or special motor vehicle will remain in effect, and the minimum age for an antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle will remain at 20 years. That is very good news!

    In other good news, House Bill 5164, which proposed to eliminate the use of year of manufacture plates along with many other items related to the Department of Motor Vehicles, was amended. The amendment deleted the section of the bill eliminating the use of Year of Manufacture Plates. The amended version of the bill passed both the House and the Senate and will be sent to the Governor for his signature. As such, the use of Year of Manufacture Plates will continue to be allowed in Connecticut. The fact that the Legislature was compelled to back off on the elimination of Year of Manufacture plates is directly attributable to the Connecticut automotive hobbyists contacting their legislators and voicing their opposition to the elimination. Great work to those of you who contacted their legislators! The amendment was offered by Representatives Guerrera and Scribner and Senators Maynard and Boucher. I understand Senator Bob Duff from Norwalk was instrumental in working behind the scenes to get the Amendment introduced. Thank you Senator Duff!...”

    As always, we appreciate all the very important work that is done for us as antique auto hobbyists in our state, by the Connecticut Council of Car Clubs—please be sure to visit their web site for more information about the organization and their various projects: CTccc.net - The Connecticut Council of Car Clubs.

    Thanks again 4-Cs for looking out for us--and let's all stay vigilant.
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