[sixpack2639]

With the technology of color copiers being what it is today, I would think they could make a copy of your title and alter it in any way they choose for the express intension of defrauding someone including you! My opinion, DON'T SEND THEM PICTURES OF YOUR TITLE!!!!! Carl

[Jay Wolf]

Last year friend of mine bid on and won a Big Block Chevelle on Ebay.
The seller wanted him to immediately send $1000 (this was a Thursday night)
The car was supposed to have been in Georgia about 500 miles away.
My friend said he would pick the car up Saturday and pay in full Cash.
The seller didn?t want to do that he wanted $1000 now. My friend tried to explain if he sent $1000 Friday it wouldn?t be there by Saturday so it made no sense.
While arguing with the guy Friday over why it made no sense to send $1k
He then got and Email from another guy saying his friend owned that Chevelle and it wasn't for sale. The pictures and description on Ebay were from an older issue of Car Craft. He didn?t loose anything but he could have if he hadn?t been planning on a quick road trip to pick it up.
They traced the email address a ISP in Canada, but nothing was ever done.
Whether the guy lived in Canada or just used that email who knows.

I also heard of a similar scam with a Snowmobile.

So yes, it does happen.

[twinsixsteve]

I hate crooks and I would do anything in my power to send them to jail!!

....................Steve

[Amphicar BUYER]

So far twice I have had an "opportunity" to buy a friend's Amphicar who lives in the UK. Both times they sent photos and were very convincing, except for the fact they sent photos of David in his Amphicar and claimed to be him. Dave did not know he moved to Canada... twice! I played with these guys for about a month. If nothing else, I had fun (blind copying Dave on the emails) wasting thier time and then dropped the bomb on them informing them they are being traced by the police. Humm, never heard back from them!

If you are going to try a scam, don't try it with a rare vehicle, go with something they made lots of. I know the majority of Amphicar owners as I am a board member of the club! Thieves are not usually a smart lot anyway.

[carmallguy]

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[Theresa_Kennett]

I think I might have almost been a victim of fraud.Some of you may remember that I had an Ad posted on this site (FS--1951 Buick Special), well about two months ago a man by the name of Peter Reiss contacted me and was interested in the add the first email went like this. Hello

I am interested in buying the 1951 Buick Special that you have placed for sell now, and I would want to enquire about the present condition of the above mentioned, as well as some detail about you. I expect this timely enough.

As for the payment, I would need you to get back in touch with the last asking price as I will be paying with a cashiers cheque.

Lastly, please forward to me your full company's (or house address, telephone and fax) details as I will subsequently prefer reaching you through these facilities.

Yours interestingly,

Peter Reiss.
So I Responded to it, and continued communtications until the check showed up last Friday May 12, 2006.Thsi is another email from said buyer:
(Theresa,

Thanks for your continued understanding.

You see, I have just gathered that the much awaiting cashiers cheque was probably lost or was intercepted in transit, so for this reason, I have asked my wife again issue and mail you the cashiers cheque since on Wednesday. Hopefully it will get to you before Saturday, next week. Please bear with us and sorry if that have brought you any inconvinience.

As prestated, subsequently a recommended shipper will be directed to liaise with you for immediate transfer of the Buick to my wife there. My wife have issued and made payment over the amount requested adding ($8000.00 to) the shipper's professional fees etc. So, after the cashiers cheque being cashed (I hope you absolutely adhere to my earlier advise to simply instruct your banker to enable it being cashed as to avoid possible cumbersome banking payment process delays) you deduct your money and on my behalf you will assist to send the shipper's fees (upfront) to enable him proceed on expected immediate shipment of the vehicle to Canada.

Not to digress, I will email you appropriate details on how to liaise with the shipper on receiving an update about the newly-sent cashiers cheque to your nominated contact detail.

We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience.

Peter Reiss)
We put the check in the bank and gave it seven days to clear, then contacted Peter again on Friday. and then he sent this email, and at 9am Saturday Morning my phone was ringing it was the shipper Oba Ray demending his money 3,2500.00 within an hour. His voice was middleeastern.

(Theresa,

Thanks for your reconsideration.

As things stand now, I have discussed with the recommended shipper to liaise with you and make necessary arrangement for conveyance of the Buick here.

The shipper's retainer fees is just what is bothering on our arrangements to proceed with shipment of the Buick there.

So, in view of our previous communications with the shipper--Mr.Oba Ray--I will advise you give him an opportunity to substantiate his proclaimed wherewithal. As far as I am aware he have reasonable knowledge on how best to handle such transactions and knows exactly what is required.

Meanwhile, the shipper has been intimated on your matter and we have forwarded to him necessary details on how to meet with you or your grandfather in lieu of your getting to transmit his fees to him.

You see, as things stand now, Mr.Oba Ray (the recommended shipper) have just intimated us he has since been assigned to make pick up of similar vehicle as ours there in your region, Plainfield Connecticut. He mentioned however he would be in Plainfield by Friday for pick up; and similar vehicle idling waiting for conveyance.

For this reason, he advised us to instruct you to send the Money such as for commissions, taxes, custom duty and all other fees by MONEYGRAMS to him immediately as to commence with all needed transfers where he s been invited for meeting with the sellers of the vehicles he s been asked to convey to different designated destinations. This is because already we have had one other vehicle bought but due for shipment here, so after permissible deduction--of your monies,$8,000.00-- send by MONEYGRAMS what you have left to the shipper. Ask your grandfather do that on my behalf I wouldnt mind offering you/him a commision of say...$100.00 by making sure thats done without any delay. Thus please simply send his fees to the provided details below:

Private Shipper: OBA RAY
Address: 35859 RD 222, Wishon,
California 93669

The $100 will serve as remuneration for your assistance in getting the rest of the money being sent to our shipper. Charges or commisions for transference of the expected money by the shipper should also be deducted after all. With MONEYGRAMS, its not more than $100 or + to secure a telegraphic transfer of such amount you are to send. Atleast an $120.00.

So, with $100.00 as commision for your assisting me and the MONEYGRAMS charges (say.. $150.00) for Money Tranfer to the shipper is $250.00. To add your buick's monies $8,000.00 it equals to $8,250.00. So it is just $8,250.00 (or a little lesser amount) is expected to be deducted and the remainder to the shipper.

Lastly, I asked Mr.Oba Ray for a telephone number to enable you both have discussions on these issues but regretffully said he does not have a working phone at present and which its still being worked on there in Wishon, California and instead assured me he would be in Plainfield to carry out inspection and then proceed with pick up etc as scheduled.

Just send me necessary details as stipulated as soon as you have sent him ($3,250.00) the money by MONEYGRAMS (@ any walmart) there and thereafter I will transmit details to him from here.

Informations most required are: Reference No./Control Number (8 digits). Amount sent, and Full Name of Sender. Please note.

For further enquiry please do not hesitate to reach me.

Peter Reiss)
Please tell me what you think, He has not emailed me since, he couldn't pick up the car. If you should have any experince with this sorta of thing please email me dragonflidreams23@yahoo.com Sorry in advance, I hope I didn't break any forum rules I am just real shook up, and upset about this.

[Bill Stoneberg]

Theresa,

I think you are lucky to still have the car and your money. I will be willing to bet the check will eventually bounce as it can take up to a month to go through the channels.

This sounds like a new version of the same scam.

[Theresa_Kennett]

The Check, didn't bounce instead we got a letter from our bank stating that check was a counterfeit check. I am so glad to have followed my gut feeling on this one.

[leadsled1953]

be careful even with cash.i knew of someone who sold a car for cash.then about 20 minutes later was almost robbed in a home invasion .everyone was caught but since guns were involved it could have had a very bad ending.big money do your business in a bank.

[8BALL_olson]

IN GOD WE TRUST ... EVERYBODY ELSE , IT'S CASH . IS IT OKAY TO QUOTE AMERICAN CURRENCY ?