Spark Plugs and judging - Page 3

novaman · December 2nd, 2008

Yes, the cars I used in my example would be in different classes I used, BUT all the variations like the hidden headlights, engine placement (Louts mid-ship but other sports cars up front),a CJ Jeep can be in class 26 a,b,or c which is late 40's early 50's production cars, and battery placement do still apply because they also can all vary within a class. I have one '63 Chevy II that has no radio and 2 '63 Chevy IIs that do have an AM Radio. Therefore they are not invalid.

Back to the fact that AACA judges everything, The rules need to be simple enough that the judges can move around in the classes without a 50lbs book stating what can and cannot be judged in a certain class considering there are over 100 classes total.

And yes Matt's answer is correct and that helps to balance things out too.

One thing to keep in the back of your mind while here, Matt is fairly new to the AACA judging system and he of course see things from a different angle than say ShopRat, Jim or I (I've been a judge for roughly 20 years). When people post things like you did on here, the three of us will sometimes go into more of a defensive mode because we are use to people trying to bash the system. This is what I sort of did with your post. I try to explain why we do what we do and sometimes get to technical for some. Which in your case wasn't even really the answer you were looking for, and I do apologize. ShopRat, Jim Bollman, Ex98thdrill, Matt H. and I are here to try to help others understand the AACA judging system. Sometimes you may need to take our replies with a grain of salt (Things don't alwys get interpeted correctly in reading text) but our intention is to be helpful not to try tearing someone apart because of what they said. Our goal is for you to understnad the system, and hopefully come out and join us either with your car and/or join us as a judge.

Bluesky636 · December 3rd, 2008

Originally Posted By: novaman

Jim.... [img]<>/frown.gif[/img] That wasn't very helpful [img]<>/frown.gif[/img]

I thought it was hilarious. [img]<>/laugh.gif[/img]

Bluesky636 · December 3rd, 2008

Originally Posted By: novaman

Yes, the cars I used in my example would be in different classes I used, BUT all the variations like the hidden headlights, engine placement (Louts mid-ship but other sports cars up front),a CJ Jeep can be in class 26 a,b,or c which is late 40's early 50's production cars, and battery placement do still apply because they also can all vary within a class. I have one '63 Chevy II that has no radio and 2 '63 Chevy IIs that do have an AM Radio. Therefore they are not invalid.

Back to the fact that AACA judges everything, The rules need to be simple enough that the judges can move around in the classes without a 50lbs book stating what can and cannot be judged in a certain class considering there are over 100 classes total.

And yes Matt's answer is correct and that helps to balance things out too.

One thing to keep in the back of your mind while here, Matt is fairly new to the AACA judging system and he of course see things from a different angle than say ShopRat, Jim or I (I've been a judge for roughly 20 years). When people post things like you did on here, the three of us will sometimes go into more of a defensive mode because we are use to people trying to bash the system. This is what I sort of did with your post. I try to explain why we do what we do and sometimes get to technical for some. Which in your case wasn't even really the answer you were looking for, and I do apologize. ShopRat, Jim Bollman, Ex98thdrill, Matt H. and I are here to try to help others understand the AACA judging system. Sometimes you may need to take our replies with a grain of salt (Things don't alwys get interpeted correctly in reading text) but our intention is to be helpful not to try tearing someone apart because of what they said. Our goal is for you to understnad the system, and hopefully come out and join us either with your car and/or join us as a judge.

I appreciate your response and no apology necessary. I am an engineer. When I don't understand something, I ask questions. And no, I am not really interested in judging or having my car judged. I built my car to have fun driving. [img]<>/grin.gif[/img] Shows are secondary.

novaman · December 3rd, 2008

Jim's post although hilarious, wasn't really helpful, but sometimes that seems what some people think we should be doing when we judge. It takes NASCAR several hours after a race to do an inspection like that, I don't even want begin to think of how long it would take to do several hundred vehicles at a show. [img]<>/crazy.gif[/img] [img]<>/crazy.gif[/img]

I have three Chevy IIs. 1 that I do show at AACA national meeets in the HPOF class. I like that, you show up, park it maybe a quick wipe (can't polish my car due to dead paint or it will turn white) and go enjoy the show. I have two others I'm restoring and both of them will be going into the DPC class if I take them to a national meet. I'm like you and like to drive the cars and I don't want to have deal with the things you need to, to have the car judged. The awards aren't that important to me.

durant28 · December 3rd, 2008

As a fairly new judge, I think our judging rules are great and fair as they can be under the circumstances. With over 100+ years of automobile manufacturing and the dozens of different makes, how can one judge be an expert in all fields. At the recent Hershey I was assigned to judge a class of cars made in 1957. Although I am familiar with these cars, I'm more familiar with the era I am restoring the 1920's car, which I have come to know and understand the basic construction, engineering, various types of wire, plugs, parts etc. With our current judging rules I can use these to really judge just about any car that I'm assigned and at Hershey my judging was much easier. With these rules I'm able to understand what the judges will be looking for and I'll be able to restore my car to show condition and hopefully win a Senior some day. I think many who enter their cars in competition just do not want to take the time to learn what is expected of them, and want to argue when they car does not win what they think it should win. It's a matter of egos, not what is really correct. If someone takes the time to study the car they are restoring, sales literature and other things then they should be able to bring it back to it's former glory and win at a show.

Jim Bollman · December 3rd, 2008

Originally Posted By: novaman

Jim.... [img]<>/frown.gif[/img] That wasn't very helpful [img]<>/frown.gif[/img]

Ah Dave, it would be so much fun. I only suggested the tear down, not the put it back together. [img]<>/laugh.gif[/img]

novaman · December 4th, 2008

Now that thought made my day.

Actully even was the bright spot in my week.

I found out Tuesday from our parts man here, that a guy that he and I use to work with hung homself over the thanksgiving weekend. [img]<>/frown.gif[/img] [img]<>/frown.gif[/img] One of the last people you'd expect that type of action from. Then Dad ended up in the ER at vetern's hospital for about 8 hours yesterday on a heart monitor to have tell him they couldn't find the source of the problem.