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66 Mystery Chevelle · December 1st, 2003

This has all the potential of actual Interesting topic. Now if we could just get a smidgin of that in that AACA magazine

Got yet another one with nothing but OLD ANTIQUE Cars and stories of them...and folks wonder why the young people have a mindset of what AACA is. sorry, wrong place for my rant

carry on...this is a topic worth discusing...but, I for one don't have issue with showing my MUSCLE CAR with a Clone...Quality of the resto is what counts, and that always shows, Clone or not.

imported_BOSS302 · December 1st, 2003

THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR GREAT RESPONSES. I GUESS I'LL SIGN UP FOR THE WINTER MEET IN MELBOURNE,FL. IN CLASS 36d AND FIND OUT THE ANSWERE. SEE YOU THERE.
I CAN'T POST A PIC BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A DIGITAL CAMERA.
AND FOR YOUR INFO ALL BOSS 302'S AND ONLY BOSS 302'S HAVE A "G" IN THE SERIAL NUMBER FOR THE ENGINE CODE.

Steve Moskowitz · December 1st, 2003

Mystery, please do not despair! Your Editor and myself will be addressing your concerns in future issues of AA. Our task of appealing to everyone from the brass car guys to the late 70's is not an easy one. Howver, we think we have the basis to at least begin to fight the problem. It will not happen over night, but it will get done. Hey, who knows, you just might find an article about GTO's in the next issue!

66 Mystery Chevelle · December 1st, 2003

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Hey, who knows, you just might find an article about GTO's in the next issue!

Okay, I'll hold on to the Baby and the Bath Water for now....

Ron Green · December 1st, 2003

rodlars, you mentioned another thread that had some postings regarding cloned vehicles and here are some of the comments posted on that thread by a judge. I see no safeguards or current rules from preventing this with the exception of the documented race car class.

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First clones are totally acceptable in AACA as along as they are how they "could" have come out of the factory. In AACA cars do not have to match the build sheet like they do at most "Brand" meets. Appearance is the major factor in AACA judging not the vehicle heritage. AACA is a simple "visual" judging, that is it. No looking up to see if # match. I have asked a lot of questions at judging schools and from I have been told. If power steering was available on your car it is acceptable, it doesn't make any difference if your exact car came with power steering or not. If a 283 was available in your car from the factory it is acceptable, it doesn't make any difference if your exact car came with a 283 or not.

nearchoclatetown · December 1st, 2003

Doesn't this statement throw the "as- built" arguement right out the window?

6219_Rules · December 1st, 2003

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rodlars · December 1st, 2003

I don't think this cloning thing is an entirely new phenoenom. When my dad was really into early V8 Fords, a common occurence was to take a boring old standard model and restore it as a deluxe. I am also sure there has been at least one fuel injected 57 Chevy convertible shown at Hershey that did not leave the factory as a 283/283 hp. At the Mopar Nationals, they have an OEM category of judging where every last component is checked for part #, date code, etc... It involves the use of a hoist and a couple of hours per car, so you can see where this is simply not practical under the time constraints of an AACA National Meet. I still think, as stated earlier, that a broadening of the muscle car categories to include all muscle cars would be a good thing. As far as I know, there is not a national organization for muscle cars in general. Everyone pretty much has to stick with their own brand-specific club for a national show. I think if the AACA were to expand the classes and market it as the nation's only national judging forum, it would go a long way to help with the whole "bringing in the next generation" issue. Recently, there have been two new muscle car magazines hit the market and it looks like there is life slowly being breathed back into the old Musclecar Review magazine. Obviously it is the current "hot" trend. If more legitimacy is desired to eliminate the attack of the clones, a simple VIN and data tag check would do it for most cars. No, you are not going to catch a well done rebody or a car that has had a slew of options added, but at least you would know that the Hemi Road Runner convertible you are looking at did not start life as a 318 powered Sport Satellite convertible. Perhaps it is as simple as adding a 5th member to the judging team, armed with a cheat sheet of engine and body style codes. Just a little food for thought, now that the turkey hangover has run its course.

Rod