1915 Metz Model 22

[Mochet]

Not sure why the oil-filler spout has such a long stem on it in the photo, Jeff. The parts illustration seems much shorter. I need to get one of these spouts made. If others want one, perhaps we could get several done. Let me know.

My 1913 Metz "22" has the Bosch DU4 Model 2 magneto. This magneto has no timing adjustment. I got mine rebuilt, and will give it a try on my engine. Hupmobile, among others, used this same magneto. The identically-sized DU4 Model 3 has a timing lever, and you could use that if you wish. I'll try the original one first, though!

Phil

[Jerry Alexander]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!

I have the oil filler tube but not the cover you show. Presume they have to be made/fabricated. My tube has a cork shoved part way down it.

I will check the magneto to see if it is the adjustible one. There is no plate cover on the magento so I am presuming it is either missing or mine is different from yours.

The pan(s) and chain guards will be a future expense for us.

I do so much appreciate having all you assist me. There are no other METZ owners near by to visit with about their experiences. And the pictures really help.

[Luv2Wrench]

Not sure why the oil-filler spout has such a long stem on it in the photo, Jeff. The parts illustration seems much shorter. I need to get one of these spouts made. If others want one, perhaps we could get several done. Let me know.

Phil

The picture of the oil filler was the one that Jason (Metal Menderz) made. I was under the impression that he made it for you. I guess not.
I will ask Bill Erskine if he has one. If so I can ask him to make a copy and send it to you to copy/reproduce at your leisure and then send it on to me. Unfortunately it will be quite some time before I am putting things together on my car.

[Jerry Alexander]

Phil - mark me own as one who would purchase a new oil-filler spout with cap. BTW, the one I have is 7 iches in length w/ a small bend near the top.

Let me know the cost and where to send the money at the appropriate time.

Thanks,
Jerry

[Mochet]

I think I can get a few oil spouts made. I'll post the results on this forum and our Metz Yahoo group.

Phil

[Jerry Alexander]

Thanks! Please put me down for one. When needed I will send the required information to purchase the oil spout.

BTW, I am now finding the two rear cylinders are now firing properly. There is spark tot he plugs but they get covered with oil. So I may be taking the head off to replace a gasket, if that is what the trouble is. I hope that is all it is.

Still trying to figure out how to remove the friction wheel. Hope to have that resolved tomorrow.

Learning, learning, learning.

[Jerry Alexander]

June 26 - Does anyone know answers to the following:

1. What is the torque spec for the head bolts? And the sequence for removal and tightening?

2. Where can I get a head gasket for my 1915 Model 22 Fore Door? (and possibly other gaskets, too - but specifically the head gasket)

3. What is the gap spacing for the spark plugs?

We have had Ethyl running but she is missing. I found some of the head bolts were not quite tight so I tightened them as carefully as I could. But that did not help. Under pressure there is an audible whistle emmitted from the engine giving us the suspicion that the gasket has a break and is leaking. Plus the last cylinder's spark plug is consistently wet when I pull it out. I am in hopes that the problem is a bad gasket not something else.

Also my cousin and I have cleaned and polished the fly wheel plate or drive plate and cleaned off the paper drive wheel in hopes that will promote better traction between these two components. If not we will be taking the drive wheel off and sending it to Tennessee to be rebuilt.

Referring to the above pictures, has there been any change on the status of the Oil Filler tube's availability?

As always I appreciate your advice and counsel.

Jerry

[Jerry Alexander]

I have noticed that the driver's side chain is much tighter than the passenger's side chain. Is this a problem or typical? I presume that both chains need to be tightened similarly. Also would this condition be a relationship causing my friction wheel to slip?

[Mochet]

I was also thinking that one chain would be looser if the chassis got misaligned. You could check to see if your front and rear axles are the same distance apart.

Phil

[Jerry Alexander]

Thanks, I'll check that, too. Finding a lot about mechanics on such a simple car!

I was also thinking that one chain would be looser if the chassis got misaligned. You could check to see if your front and rear axles are the same distance apart.

Phil

[Jerry Alexander]

BRAKES for Model 22

Now that I have the friction wheel off I find that the brake liner needs to be replaced. Do you know it the liner from a Model T works? I also suspet the emergency brakes will need replacement as well. Again does the Model T replacement parts work for the Metz? Or are there other vendors one can use to find the parts. (I will also check on ebay too as that seems to be a standard response.)

BTW, I will be at the Paper Pulley Company this week with the friction wheel and cameras. I will share the information I garner from this company with you. I am looking forward to this trip. Should prove interesting.

Thanks in advance for the brake information.

[Jerry Alexander]

I checked with the Yahoo Group and got advice to check with a local vendor to see if they can rehab the band.

Additionally, we just got back from taking the friction wheel to the Paper Pulley INC of Columbia, TN. I have some pictures I need to transfer from the camera to the computer. Once that is done I will share them. I must report that this is quite a business and we are fortunate to have access to these 4 guys. They really take pleasure in their work and do their best to provide a quality product. They supply friction drive pulleys for METZ, Cater, Sears and other friction drive vehicles. Plus for various farm machinery and oil drilling rigs, too. We got a tour of the place and it is turn of the century machines that make the wheels for us. It was a real hoot. BTW, I left my wheel on the shaft andf they were able to put the new filler on without splitting the wheel and without taking anything else apart. Plus the wheel was ready the same day it was brought in. The cost was $250.00 complete. Very fair I believe.